1 00:00:37,270 --> 00:00:21,830 [Music] 2 00:00:44,229 --> 00:00:41,750 explode the bazaars or e-ticket ride 3 00:00:47,510 --> 00:00:44,239 into the world of the paranoid 4 00:00:50,530 --> 00:00:47,520 strap yourself in as we traverse the 5 00:00:55,939 --> 00:00:50,540 universe exploring the unexplained UFO 6 00:00:59,660 --> 00:00:55,949 of ghosts Lost Worlds cryptozoology 7 00:01:03,430 --> 00:00:59,670 waters as well as other dimensions it's 8 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:03,440 time to take back the night last night 9 00:01:10,279 --> 00:01:07,050 now your electrifying hosts of exploring 10 00:01:13,719 --> 00:01:10,289 the bizarre Timothy Begley and team 11 00:01:22,670 --> 00:01:18,529 Tim Tim why are we hiding behind this 12 00:01:25,580 --> 00:01:22,680 Boulder in the middle of the night Shh 13 00:01:31,249 --> 00:01:25,590 keep your voice down before the guards 14 00:01:33,050 --> 00:01:31,259 hear us what guards whack in hot we're 15 00:01:37,219 --> 00:01:33,060 not supposed to be this close to the 16 00:01:38,930 --> 00:01:37,229 area 51 runway it's a top secret base 17 00:01:41,900 --> 00:01:38,940 where the government is supposedly 18 00:01:44,540 --> 00:01:41,910 hiding back engineered UFOs and maybe 19 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:44,550 even an alien or two haven't you heard 20 00:01:48,699 --> 00:01:46,890 Bob Lazar talked about how he worked 21 00:01:50,270 --> 00:01:48,709 there and went inside one of these 22 00:01:52,249 --> 00:01:50,280 extraterrestrial craft 23 00:01:54,889 --> 00:01:52,259 look there's a ship landing on the 24 00:01:59,710 --> 00:01:54,899 runway on the base right now let's get 25 00:02:02,540 --> 00:01:59,720 closer no no those may not be UFOs say 26 00:02:05,330 --> 00:02:02,550 they could just be the tops of patrol 27 00:02:08,630 --> 00:02:05,340 cars coming to grab our asses let's get 28 00:02:11,270 --> 00:02:08,640 out of here okay by me 29 00:02:18,309 --> 00:02:11,280 meet you back at the Casey our studio 30 00:02:23,540 --> 00:02:18,319 and safe Las Vegas beautiful Las Vegas 31 00:02:27,140 --> 00:02:23,550 Sin City I think I don't I don't know 32 00:02:30,830 --> 00:02:27,150 why they would call it Sin City it's for 33 00:02:35,660 --> 00:02:30,840 its for the tourists ask our producer 34 00:02:38,330 --> 00:02:35,670 Tina she'll tell you I bet 35 00:02:43,640 --> 00:02:38,340 well actually we're a visited area you 36 00:02:46,099 --> 00:02:43,650 never been out the area 5110 just you 37 00:02:49,830 --> 00:02:46,109 know probably like anywhere everyone 38 00:02:52,199 --> 00:02:49,840 else just right on the very extreme edge 39 00:02:57,780 --> 00:02:52,209 uh-huh no closer I want to get a closer 40 00:03:01,680 --> 00:02:57,790 dad we had AK we actually had a super 41 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:01,690 mini a UFO convention one time out of 42 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:06,370 the little alien in we had a bill Cooper 43 00:03:13,110 --> 00:03:08,890 in his more sane days if there ever was 44 00:03:15,449 --> 00:03:13,120 the superior and Gary Schultz Nuria 45 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:15,459 Hayakawa who's really a friend of the 46 00:03:23,180 --> 00:03:18,730 the show and we had about a hundred 47 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:23,190 people in the parking lot and in the bar 48 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:27,610 listening to two talks on an area 51 49 00:03:35,970 --> 00:03:32,130 and then we all went out for a sky watch 50 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:35,980 and you know the sheriff showed up or 51 00:03:41,009 --> 00:03:38,650 the constable or who who it wasn't 52 00:03:43,050 --> 00:03:41,019 Wacken hot day they just up you know 53 00:03:45,180 --> 00:03:43,060 like patrol the perimeter of the base 54 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:45,190 but I guess they're in radio contact 55 00:03:51,870 --> 00:03:49,330 with the local police and you know the 56 00:03:55,550 --> 00:03:51,880 next day we were on the local news there 57 00:03:58,920 --> 00:03:55,560 in in Vegas and they had the nerve to 58 00:04:03,449 --> 00:03:58,930 interview the constable aneesa's oh we 59 00:04:06,479 --> 00:04:03,459 don't mind them coming out here you know 60 00:04:08,729 --> 00:04:06,489 to do their sky watching but in the 61 00:04:14,819 --> 00:04:08,739 meantime they're stopping every little 62 00:04:18,979 --> 00:04:14,829 old lady and include me in a little a 63 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:18,989 group also they're stopping people and 64 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:21,970 giving them alcohol breathalyzer test to 65 00:04:25,590 --> 00:04:23,770 see if they're drunk I don't know if you 66 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:25,600 could get drunk it's a little alien and 67 00:04:33,570 --> 00:04:31,330 to be honest with him but I saw a 68 00:04:35,490 --> 00:04:33,580 jackrabbit thick you know like jump 69 00:04:36,870 --> 00:04:35,500 across the road so I put on the the 70 00:04:38,940 --> 00:04:36,880 brakes and swerved a little and they 71 00:04:43,590 --> 00:04:38,950 started to light up and pulled me over 72 00:04:45,330 --> 00:04:43,600 and made me you know hop on my one foot 73 00:04:48,170 --> 00:04:45,340 and in spelled Donald Trump's name 74 00:04:53,909 --> 00:04:48,180 backwards three times there's nothing I 75 00:04:55,830 --> 00:04:53,919 couldn't do that sober so that was but 76 00:04:57,330 --> 00:04:55,840 nobody had a sighting I mean the 77 00:05:00,630 --> 00:04:57,340 sightings always seem to be when I 78 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:00,640 wasn't I wasn't there I be at course at 79 00:05:04,180 --> 00:05:02,650 the the black mailbox which I guess 80 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:04,190 isn't around 81 00:05:10,090 --> 00:05:07,010 anymore but we'll have to ask Nick about 82 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:10,100 that and I'm sure he's got the it well 83 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:11,930 he should have the inside scoop on area 84 00:05:16,420 --> 00:05:14,090 51 because this book I have here that 85 00:05:18,610 --> 00:05:16,430 just came is about four hundred and 86 00:05:20,890 --> 00:05:18,620 fifty pages and it's got every little 87 00:05:21,969 --> 00:05:20,900 bit of information about the super 88 00:05:23,980 --> 00:05:21,979 secret base 89 00:05:27,430 --> 00:05:23,990 that can't be too secret if he's got a 90 00:05:29,260 --> 00:05:27,440 book that's 450 pages anyway why don't 91 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:29,270 you why don't you get down to the 92 00:05:34,150 --> 00:05:31,610 nitty-gritty and let's get gritty and 93 00:05:35,890 --> 00:05:34,160 tell the listeners out there what we're 94 00:05:38,140 --> 00:05:35,900 gonna be talking about tonight and who 95 00:05:40,090 --> 00:05:38,150 are we going to be talking with before 96 00:05:43,779 --> 00:05:40,100 the shot smoke comes against me yeah 97 00:05:48,189 --> 00:05:43,789 sure um and and you say you you got the 98 00:05:50,010 --> 00:05:48,199 book area 51 the revealing truth of UFOs 99 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:50,020 he could aircraft cover-ups and 100 00:05:55,450 --> 00:05:53,210 conspiracies I got a copy of his book 101 00:05:58,629 --> 00:05:55,460 that came out just before that called 102 00:06:01,170 --> 00:05:58,639 top-secret alien abduction files what 103 00:06:04,840 --> 00:06:01,180 the government doesn't want you to know 104 00:06:08,140 --> 00:06:04,850 so we've we've got two of Nick's most 105 00:06:09,820 --> 00:06:08,150 recent books that we'll have to bring up 106 00:06:14,260 --> 00:06:09,830 today but you know we're talking about 107 00:06:16,089 --> 00:06:14,270 Nick so Nick has graciously making a 108 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:16,099 return visit to exploring the bazaar and 109 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:18,410 Nick is a full-time author and 110 00:06:23,589 --> 00:06:20,930 journalists specializing in a wide range 111 00:06:26,110 --> 00:06:23,599 of unsolved mysteries including Bigfoot 112 00:06:28,570 --> 00:06:26,120 Loch Ness monster UFO sightings 113 00:06:32,710 --> 00:06:28,580 government conspiracies alien abductions 114 00:06:35,379 --> 00:06:32,720 and all of the stuff that that we know 115 00:06:37,750 --> 00:06:35,389 and love now Nick travels and lectures 116 00:06:40,719 --> 00:06:37,760 extensively around the world he's 117 00:06:42,909 --> 00:06:40,729 originally from England I can't tell 118 00:06:45,430 --> 00:06:42,919 that by listening to him and he 119 00:06:47,409 --> 00:06:45,440 currently lives in Dallas Texas now he's 120 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:47,419 most recent books include the Slender 121 00:06:52,300 --> 00:06:49,849 Man mysteries and Internet urban legend 122 00:06:55,420 --> 00:06:52,310 come to life top-secret alien abduction 123 00:06:56,980 --> 00:06:55,430 files and the area 51 revealing the 124 00:06:59,939 --> 00:06:56,990 truth of UFOs he could air craft 125 00:07:04,390 --> 00:06:59,949 cover-ups and conspiracies and later on 126 00:07:11,140 --> 00:07:04,400 during this show we'll have a visit from 127 00:07:17,210 --> 00:07:15,610 it it belongs exclusively to Nick so 128 00:07:21,230 --> 00:07:17,220 Nick great to have yarn with us 129 00:07:24,110 --> 00:07:21,240 right hey guys well thank 71 again well 130 00:07:27,260 --> 00:07:24,120 Nick why did you decide to write I mean 131 00:07:30,050 --> 00:07:27,270 area 51 has been around there for a 132 00:07:32,900 --> 00:07:30,060 while I mean it was top of this secret 133 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:32,910 supposedly but everybody in the UFO 134 00:07:39,590 --> 00:07:35,610 field the knew about it I mean what what 135 00:07:42,140 --> 00:07:39,600 kind of gatchoo your motors are running 136 00:07:43,820 --> 00:07:42,150 to write about it at this point well 137 00:07:46,010 --> 00:07:43,830 there were a couple of things one of 138 00:07:49,250 --> 00:07:46,020 them was well the years I have been a 139 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:49,260 number of books written on Perry 51 Pro 140 00:07:54,590 --> 00:07:53,250 5 or 6 and most of them and there's 141 00:07:58,100 --> 00:07:54,600 nothing wrong with this but most of them 142 00:08:01,820 --> 00:07:58,110 primarily focused upon the secret 143 00:08:05,180 --> 00:08:01,830 aircrafts stealth aircraft projects and 144 00:08:06,470 --> 00:08:05,190 kind of with a nod to UFOs which was 145 00:08:09,380 --> 00:08:06,480 sometimes in sort of a light-hearted 146 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:09,390 fashion and I thought well ok there's 147 00:08:14,870 --> 00:08:11,610 been five or six seven books written on 148 00:08:17,409 --> 00:08:14,880 area 51 from that perspective so why 149 00:08:20,090 --> 00:08:17,419 don't I sort of change things up and 150 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:20,100 write a book that primarily told the 151 00:08:25,820 --> 00:08:23,010 story of a history of area 51 but for 152 00:08:27,980 --> 00:08:25,830 the most part focused exclusively on the 153 00:08:30,230 --> 00:08:27,990 UFO angle which hadn't really been done 154 00:08:32,029 --> 00:08:30,240 on before and which is surprising a lot 155 00:08:33,380 --> 00:08:32,039 of people who think well you know 156 00:08:35,180 --> 00:08:33,390 there's so many books out there but 157 00:08:37,070 --> 00:08:35,190 they're at them realize they're actually 158 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:37,080 not on UFOs they really are and like the 159 00:08:42,140 --> 00:08:39,050 stealth bomber the stealth fighter 160 00:08:44,510 --> 00:08:42,150 claims of other secret aircraft things 161 00:08:47,270 --> 00:08:44,520 like that so I thought why not why not 162 00:08:50,180 --> 00:08:47,280 finally get to the grips you know with 163 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:50,190 the all of the UFO stories that have 164 00:08:56,900 --> 00:08:54,210 been tied to area 51 and and trying one 165 00:08:58,960 --> 00:08:56,910 of four at once and for all to you know 166 00:09:01,400 --> 00:08:58,970 figure out exactly what is going on 167 00:09:05,030 --> 00:09:01,410 specifically in relation to the UFO 168 00:09:09,350 --> 00:09:05,040 phenomenon yeah well let's let's go back 169 00:09:14,020 --> 00:09:09,360 a little bit in time and now I know that 170 00:09:17,300 --> 00:09:14,030 area 51 was used to test the atomic 171 00:09:21,110 --> 00:09:17,310 nuclear weapons is that correct well 172 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:21,120 basically the area where area 51 exist 173 00:09:25,699 --> 00:09:22,010 today 174 00:09:29,030 --> 00:09:25,709 yes goes back in terms of military work 175 00:09:30,560 --> 00:09:29,040 it actually goes back the early days of 176 00:09:30,950 --> 00:09:30,570 the first excuse me of the Second World 177 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:30,960 War 178 00:09:37,070 --> 00:09:33,930 now when we had the sort of terrible 179 00:09:38,990 --> 00:09:37,080 offense at Pearl Harbor when the United 180 00:09:41,930 --> 00:09:39,000 States was hit by surprised and 181 00:09:43,700 --> 00:09:41,940 thousands were killed the military and 182 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:43,710 the government vowed you know this won't 183 00:09:49,519 --> 00:09:47,250 happen again so what happened was that 184 00:09:55,250 --> 00:09:49,529 plans were initiated to try and 185 00:09:58,070 --> 00:09:55,260 establish an establishment a facility 186 00:10:01,610 --> 00:09:58,080 that the Japanese would never be able to 187 00:10:05,210 --> 00:10:01,620 penetrate and so they chose an isolated 188 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:05,220 place in the United States specifically 189 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:07,290 out in the deserts of Nevada which 190 00:10:12,740 --> 00:10:09,930 wasn't at the time known as area 51 in 191 00:10:15,530 --> 00:10:12,750 fact it was a large area made up of 192 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:15,540 various installations called the one of 193 00:10:20,420 --> 00:10:17,490 them's the fourth Air Force bombing and 194 00:10:23,930 --> 00:10:20,430 gunnery range the Tonopah army airfield 195 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:23,940 and the India Springs auxilary Army 196 00:10:29,300 --> 00:10:26,130 Airfield they were all in the area where 197 00:10:31,670 --> 00:10:29,310 broadly today area 51 is so those are 198 00:10:35,210 --> 00:10:31,680 installations were quickly installed 199 00:10:38,750 --> 00:10:35,220 post Pearl Harbor to try and create 200 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:38,760 facilities where new and novel types of 201 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:41,730 technology and artillery and bombs and 202 00:10:46,510 --> 00:10:44,610 etc could be created to ensure that 203 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:46,520 nothing like this ever happened again 204 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:49,730 now that was sort of early to mid 205 00:10:55,699 --> 00:10:53,250 forties but through the late 40s and 206 00:10:57,710 --> 00:10:55,709 through the 50s ultimately had the 207 00:11:00,260 --> 00:10:57,720 development out at a place called groom 208 00:11:03,290 --> 00:11:00,270 Lake which is this dry bed Gregg known 209 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:03,300 as the with the night Nevada test and 210 00:11:12,190 --> 00:11:08,810 training range and the NT and T r became 211 00:11:16,550 --> 00:11:12,200 this huge area of land which 212 00:11:19,460 --> 00:11:16,560 incorporates area 51 and so when the NT 213 00:11:22,790 --> 00:11:19,470 NCR was created in the fifties in the 214 00:11:25,310 --> 00:11:22,800 early to mid fifties what happened was 215 00:11:27,710 --> 00:11:25,320 you had the beginnings of classified 216 00:11:31,370 --> 00:11:27,720 aircraft programs like flights of the u2 217 00:11:35,540 --> 00:11:31,380 program and then in the 60s with the the 218 00:11:39,170 --> 00:11:35,550 Blackbird SL 71 spy plane and so it was 219 00:11:41,780 --> 00:11:39,180 the fifties on woods when area 51 began 220 00:11:44,630 --> 00:11:41,790 but for ten years before after hot Pearl 221 00:11:46,100 --> 00:11:44,640 Harbor it was essentially a cat 222 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:46,110 - larrya for numerous military 223 00:11:51,500 --> 00:11:48,450 installations which eventually became 224 00:11:53,630 --> 00:11:51,510 combined and you had this secret base 225 00:11:55,610 --> 00:11:53,640 which more and more land was grabbed by 226 00:11:57,650 --> 00:11:55,620 the government to ensure that less and 227 00:12:03,530 --> 00:11:57,660 less people would have access to that 228 00:12:06,710 --> 00:12:03,540 area one now did these not see a 229 00:12:09,410 --> 00:12:06,720 scientist that came over under Project 230 00:12:13,100 --> 00:12:09,420 Paperclip were any of them sent out 231 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:13,110 there in the early days not so much in 232 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:16,370 the early not certainly not in sort of 233 00:12:23,210 --> 00:12:20,810 45:46 no no no I'm thinking of a 50th oh 234 00:12:25,180 --> 00:12:23,220 yeah some of the route yes some of the 235 00:12:28,070 --> 00:12:25,190 German scientists particularly those 236 00:12:31,610 --> 00:12:28,080 maybe even exclusively those who worked 237 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:31,620 on rocket programs they certainly did 238 00:12:36,290 --> 00:12:33,810 work out at area 51 because it was 239 00:12:38,510 --> 00:12:36,300 quickly realized the you know bomber 240 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:38,520 propeller-driven bombers and fighter 241 00:12:44,830 --> 00:12:42,050 planes we're going to eventually be 242 00:12:48,340 --> 00:12:44,840 relegated if you like or at least 243 00:12:51,970 --> 00:12:48,350 perceived as not being as adequate as 244 00:12:55,630 --> 00:12:51,980 high-flying and fast-moving missiles and 245 00:12:58,460 --> 00:12:55,640 rocketry so a lot of the early rocketry 246 00:13:02,510 --> 00:12:58,470 research actually was undertaken at what 247 00:13:04,270 --> 00:13:02,520 is now portions of area 51 and this as 248 00:13:07,340 --> 00:13:04,280 you said he does relate to the 249 00:13:10,150 --> 00:13:07,350 government's highly classified Operation 250 00:13:12,350 --> 00:13:10,160 Paperclip which was designed to bring 251 00:13:13,850 --> 00:13:12,360 German scientists at the end of the 252 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:13,860 Second World War to the United States 253 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:17,610 and some of them ended up at the White 254 00:13:24,140 --> 00:13:20,010 Sands Missile Range in New Mexico for 255 00:13:26,990 --> 00:13:24,150 Bliss other or installations that were 256 00:13:29,660 --> 00:13:27,000 working in the field of rocketry and in 257 00:13:33,770 --> 00:13:29,670 the early 50s to mid 50s when area 51 258 00:13:36,830 --> 00:13:33,780 was finally constructed rocketry also 259 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:36,840 went ahead under there as well including 260 00:13:46,030 --> 00:13:40,130 a number of a paperclip earth scientists 261 00:13:49,550 --> 00:13:46,040 when was the base first connected to 262 00:13:53,210 --> 00:13:49,560 UFOs I mean well first of all when did 263 00:13:55,790 --> 00:13:53,220 the base first be become known by the 264 00:13:58,130 --> 00:13:55,800 public I know there were some Russian 265 00:14:00,200 --> 00:13:58,140 satellites that took pictures of the 266 00:14:03,230 --> 00:14:00,210 they sir but that was that was later on 267 00:14:05,660 --> 00:14:03,240 - when was actually it did it become 268 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:05,670 area 51 and how did it get connected to 269 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:09,090 a UFOs yeah that's a good question 270 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:10,770 because that is one of the most 271 00:14:15,020 --> 00:14:13,050 important aspects you know when did it 272 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:15,030 be go from being just sort of it like a 273 00:14:20,660 --> 00:14:17,850 regular area for military installations 274 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:20,670 to something more now what you had in 275 00:14:25,730 --> 00:14:22,290 the early to mid 50s 276 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:25,740 the CIA CIA had sort of like a pressing 277 00:14:33,410 --> 00:14:29,570 need to have an area where they could 278 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:33,420 test fly near and classified and radical 279 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:36,210 spy planes without anybody knowing not 280 00:14:41,030 --> 00:14:38,130 just the public or the media but the 281 00:14:43,730 --> 00:14:41,040 Russians and just about everybody else 282 00:14:46,070 --> 00:14:43,740 so they chose this area which ultimately 283 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:46,080 became the Nevada test and training 284 00:14:53,810 --> 00:14:50,370 range and one of those areas within this 285 00:14:57,260 --> 00:14:53,820 vast even bigger area known as the 286 00:15:00,410 --> 00:14:57,270 Entente are they chose an area near 287 00:15:02,690 --> 00:15:00,420 groom lake where they which essentially 288 00:15:04,790 --> 00:15:02,700 they saw groom lake as this gigantic 289 00:15:08,290 --> 00:15:04,800 runway that could be used for classified 290 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:08,300 aircraft tests and there were plans for 291 00:15:16,340 --> 00:15:12,930 other secret aircraft to be created and 292 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:16,350 developed and flown and this all 293 00:15:23,780 --> 00:15:20,610 occurred roundabout 53 to 55 and it was 294 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:23,790 through 55 56 when the base is really 295 00:15:28,940 --> 00:15:26,730 fully established or at least to the 296 00:15:31,490 --> 00:15:28,950 point that it was then and you had 297 00:15:33,830 --> 00:15:31,500 personnel working out there you know two 298 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:33,840 weeks on and four or five days home and 299 00:15:37,010 --> 00:15:35,130 so on that kind of thing 300 00:15:41,030 --> 00:15:37,020 and that's when things really took off 301 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:41,040 big time now the people who lived in 302 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:43,650 that area they knew all too well as to 303 00:15:48,710 --> 00:15:45,690 what was going out there because back 304 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:48,720 then unlike today you know you didn't 305 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:51,690 have these severe security fences every 306 00:15:56,150 --> 00:15:54,090 couple of miles and threatens of deadly 307 00:15:58,160 --> 00:15:56,160 force and things like that that's how it 308 00:16:00,860 --> 00:15:58,170 is today you know you cannot get within 309 00:16:02,540 --> 00:16:00,870 about 10 or 15 miles of the base you 310 00:16:05,390 --> 00:16:02,550 know it's still surrounded by mountains 311 00:16:08,420 --> 00:16:05,400 and so on but then the security 312 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:08,430 surrounding the base was was very strong 313 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:11,490 but it didn't extend for that sort of 10 314 00:16:13,639 --> 00:16:11,850 50 315 00:16:16,970 --> 00:16:13,649 Dean miles it was just a couple of miles 316 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:16,980 so the locals knew all too well what was 317 00:16:23,689 --> 00:16:19,290 going on but didn't really say much 318 00:16:25,340 --> 00:16:23,699 about it and it wasn't really incredible 319 00:16:29,449 --> 00:16:25,350 it might sound it actually wasn't until 320 00:16:33,829 --> 00:16:29,459 the early 1980s when the air force made 321 00:16:37,100 --> 00:16:33,839 a plea if you like to the government or 322 00:16:39,559 --> 00:16:37,110 pro and I an idea if you like to the 323 00:16:42,290 --> 00:16:39,569 government stating that look you know 324 00:16:45,769 --> 00:16:42,300 for national security reasons we need to 325 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:45,779 expand this particular part portion of 326 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:48,930 the anti NCR which was known as area 51 327 00:16:56,079 --> 00:16:53,610 and so a proposal was put together that 328 00:16:58,579 --> 00:16:56,089 the government could essentially seize 329 00:17:02,210 --> 00:16:58,589 literally thousands upon thousands of 330 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:02,220 acres of land which would be allocated 331 00:17:06,980 --> 00:17:04,890 to area 51 staff and people would be not 332 00:17:09,679 --> 00:17:06,990 allowed anywhere within sort of 10 15 333 00:17:11,689 --> 00:17:09,689 miles of the base why how they used to 334 00:17:16,279 --> 00:17:11,699 go they used to they used to hike up 335 00:17:17,870 --> 00:17:16,289 what was a freedom Ridge yeah that's 336 00:17:20,899 --> 00:17:17,880 right the freedom region several other 337 00:17:22,730 --> 00:17:20,909 places until the 80s were actually and 338 00:17:24,949 --> 00:17:22,740 quite surprisingly to a lot of people 339 00:17:26,779 --> 00:17:24,959 you know if you knew where to go you 340 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:26,789 could climb the mountains and see 341 00:17:32,510 --> 00:17:30,570 portions of area 51 and to it's sort of 342 00:17:34,159 --> 00:17:32,520 Concerned the government realized that 343 00:17:36,260 --> 00:17:34,169 the more and more people came out there 344 00:17:38,270 --> 00:17:36,270 more and more people were finding little 345 00:17:40,940 --> 00:17:38,280 ways to climb the hills and the 346 00:17:43,100 --> 00:17:40,950 mountains and see what was going on so 347 00:17:46,190 --> 00:17:43,110 that's why they made this play this plan 348 00:17:47,930 --> 00:17:46,200 to say to the government look this is a 349 00:17:51,260 --> 00:17:47,940 classified installation it's where most 350 00:17:53,539 --> 00:17:51,270 of our secret research is going on we 351 00:17:56,180 --> 00:17:53,549 need to keep people away period and 352 00:17:58,880 --> 00:17:56,190 that's what happened there was a lot of 353 00:18:02,180 --> 00:17:58,890 controversial debate between about 84 354 00:18:04,810 --> 00:18:02,190 and 87 and where people were being 355 00:18:06,980 --> 00:18:04,820 offered literally I mean admittedly 356 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:06,990 substantial amounts of money to move 357 00:18:10,190 --> 00:18:09,090 some of them were happy to do it you 358 00:18:12,500 --> 00:18:10,200 know because the amounts of money that 359 00:18:14,899 --> 00:18:12,510 are being offered was quite high others 360 00:18:16,850 --> 00:18:14,909 wanted to stay in the area didn't like 361 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:16,860 the fact that their family and you know 362 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:18,650 four generation and lived in that area 363 00:18:24,020 --> 00:18:21,330 but essentially it came down right it 364 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:24,030 kind of I kind of kind of desolate the 365 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:25,770 area to say the least 366 00:18:29,630 --> 00:18:28,050 well it was but I guess the people have 367 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:29,640 grown up in that area you know they 368 00:18:34,190 --> 00:18:31,890 enjoyed that lifestyle they didn't mind 369 00:18:36,500 --> 00:18:34,200 but eventually it came down to the 370 00:18:38,780 --> 00:18:36,510 government saying look you either take 371 00:18:42,350 --> 00:18:38,790 this substantial amount of money and 372 00:18:44,299 --> 00:18:42,360 move or you face losing everything I 373 00:18:47,140 --> 00:18:44,309 will just take the ground from the land 374 00:18:49,970 --> 00:18:47,150 anyway so you know it was one of those 375 00:18:54,290 --> 00:18:49,980 catch-22 situations and that was between 376 00:18:57,140 --> 00:18:54,300 84 and roundabout 86 87 when that 377 00:18:59,630 --> 00:18:57,150 happened people started to look closer 378 00:19:03,230 --> 00:18:59,640 at what was going out there and then in 379 00:19:06,020 --> 00:19:03,240 88 you had Bob Lazar come forward with 380 00:19:09,919 --> 00:19:06,030 his claims and that's really how it all 381 00:19:14,510 --> 00:19:09,929 led to the UFO component to it all 382 00:19:16,340 --> 00:19:14,520 you think Lazar was the first well there 383 00:19:18,250 --> 00:19:16,350 was a guy there was a guy in the radio 384 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:18,260 there what was his name Goodman I think 385 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:21,690 yeah we had a show and yeah Billy and he 386 00:19:28,850 --> 00:19:25,530 he had a couple of people who come on 387 00:19:33,470 --> 00:19:28,860 the program the sky disclosing their 388 00:19:37,190 --> 00:19:33,480 voice and and apparently telling stories 389 00:19:39,950 --> 00:19:37,200 about what was going on at the base that 390 00:19:43,250 --> 00:19:39,960 would have been the you know the mid 80s 391 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:43,260 or something I think what was Oh have 392 00:19:47,510 --> 00:19:45,090 you ever met Bob Lazar did you ever talk 393 00:19:50,030 --> 00:19:47,520 to him personally I've never spoken to 394 00:19:52,370 --> 00:19:50,040 him personally no but I mean he's an 395 00:19:54,980 --> 00:19:52,380 interesting guy because you know that 396 00:19:57,530 --> 00:19:54,990 the nature of his story now a lot of 397 00:19:59,840 --> 00:19:57,540 people but I mean for example one of the 398 00:20:03,230 --> 00:19:59,850 most famous people in ufology Stan 399 00:20:05,510 --> 00:20:03,240 Friedman stan has no time at all for the 400 00:20:07,850 --> 00:20:05,520 Rose our story in fact to quote him 401 00:20:10,580 --> 00:20:07,860 exactly with three words he said that 402 00:20:14,210 --> 00:20:10,590 Lazar stories when I quote here bunk 403 00:20:18,290 --> 00:20:14,220 bunk bunk back to literally house no but 404 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:18,300 you know it's that Stan I mean any thing 405 00:20:23,030 --> 00:20:20,010 that you know he's one of these 406 00:20:25,070 --> 00:20:23,040 ufologists and we all love Stan but he's 407 00:20:29,710 --> 00:20:25,080 one of these ufologist if you don't read 408 00:20:32,180 --> 00:20:29,720 the same you know books that he reads or 409 00:20:33,740 --> 00:20:32,190 you know acknowledge the same reports 410 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:33,750 that he does or poo-pooed the same 411 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:35,730 people that he does then you're not on 412 00:20:39,260 --> 00:20:38,850 the same page as he is so you've got to 413 00:20:43,370 --> 00:20:39,270 take what 414 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:43,380 dan says with a grain of salt not that 415 00:20:49,910 --> 00:20:47,250 not that bob lazar his you know like it 416 00:20:52,100 --> 00:20:49,920 necessarily approved himself but that 417 00:20:57,500 --> 00:20:52,110 now the other hand one has to wonder why 418 00:20:59,870 --> 00:20:57,510 would somebody go to this extreme to to 419 00:21:04,450 --> 00:20:59,880 tell the stories that he's told over the 420 00:21:06,950 --> 00:21:04,460 the year and he has not been totally 421 00:21:10,490 --> 00:21:06,960 vindicated but he also hasn't been 422 00:21:13,490 --> 00:21:10,500 totally proven to be a a total fraud 423 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:13,500 either no you're right i mean one of the 424 00:21:17,690 --> 00:21:15,210 things that particularly interests me 425 00:21:20,060 --> 00:21:17,700 about the Lazar story is that you know 426 00:21:22,340 --> 00:21:20,070 people have said that you know they're 427 00:21:25,670 --> 00:21:22,350 not able to prove his background well to 428 00:21:30,170 --> 00:21:25,680 a degree that is a fact we know for sure 429 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:30,180 that he did do a number of courses in 430 00:21:35,360 --> 00:21:33,210 the early days after finishing college 431 00:21:37,430 --> 00:21:35,370 and so on and some of those papers that 432 00:21:40,610 --> 00:21:37,440 he claims you know should have existed 433 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:40,620 cannot be found but what we do know for 434 00:21:47,210 --> 00:21:45,570 sure was that in the early 1980s Lazar 435 00:21:49,850 --> 00:21:47,220 did work at a place called the Los 436 00:21:53,420 --> 00:21:49,860 Alamos in New Mexico Los Alamos Neutron 437 00:21:55,820 --> 00:21:53,430 Science Center and it was basically a 438 00:22:00,650 --> 00:21:55,830 physics based facility during research 439 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:00,660 now that's not hearsay or rumor you know 440 00:22:05,300 --> 00:22:03,090 when it comes to claims concerning his 441 00:22:07,490 --> 00:22:05,310 work at what was known in abbreviated 442 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:07,500 the lands facility that that is a 443 00:22:12,350 --> 00:22:09,930 historical fact he did work there in the 444 00:22:15,260 --> 00:22:12,360 early 1980s and it was a highly 445 00:22:17,660 --> 00:22:15,270 classified facility doing advanced 446 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:17,670 physics based technology that that's a 447 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:19,170 fact that he worked for that grew plants 448 00:22:25,850 --> 00:22:22,770 the Los Alamos use Neutron Science 449 00:22:28,700 --> 00:22:25,860 Center now one of the reasons why I'm 450 00:22:30,700 --> 00:22:28,710 quite open mind on Villas are stories 451 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:30,710 not just because he held this position 452 00:22:39,170 --> 00:22:34,890 in six years before he came public and 453 00:22:41,780 --> 00:22:39,180 forward about the UFO angle he did not 454 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:41,790 come across like your average hoax at 455 00:22:46,430 --> 00:22:43,890 now you know I'm sure Tim will remember 456 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:46,440 from some of the more dubious contactees 457 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:48,690 in the fifties when they when the story 458 00:22:53,149 --> 00:22:51,810 dried up they create new specks of the 459 00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:53,159 story and no photograph 460 00:22:59,450 --> 00:22:57,450 line sources Lazar did not do any of 461 00:23:02,599 --> 00:22:59,460 that what he did he told his story to 462 00:23:07,039 --> 00:23:02,609 George Knapp in Nevada who's one of the 463 00:23:09,589 --> 00:23:07,049 leading media people in in Nevada and he 464 00:23:12,109 --> 00:23:09,599 basically told his story and in the 30 465 00:23:16,099 --> 00:23:12,119 years that have now gone by his 88 when 466 00:23:19,279 --> 00:23:16,109 Lazar came out in that 30 years Lazar 467 00:23:22,580 --> 00:23:19,289 has not attempted to sell his story to 468 00:23:25,190 --> 00:23:22,590 Hollywood he's not written a book the 469 00:23:27,229 --> 00:23:25,200 number of times well no I I think yeah I 470 00:23:29,810 --> 00:23:27,239 think he did at some point tried to sell 471 00:23:32,419 --> 00:23:29,820 his story that I went in it it never got 472 00:23:35,089 --> 00:23:32,429 off the ground well he certainly didn't 473 00:23:37,489 --> 00:23:35,099 push it you know day yeah yeah yeah yeah 474 00:23:40,339 --> 00:23:37,499 and top of that he didn't you know he 475 00:23:42,589 --> 00:23:40,349 didn't write his own book about the 476 00:23:44,149 --> 00:23:42,599 experience and it was it wasn't until 477 00:23:46,460 --> 00:23:44,159 he's a very clever guy you know he could 478 00:23:49,580 --> 00:23:46,470 easily have written an extensive book he 479 00:23:50,839 --> 00:23:49,590 chose not oh yeah all right okay guys 480 00:23:52,820 --> 00:23:50,849 let me interrupt you here because we 481 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:52,830 have to go to our bottom of the hour 482 00:23:56,570 --> 00:23:53,970 break when we come back we'll continue 483 00:23:58,969 --> 00:23:56,580 our conversation with Nick Redfern on 484 00:24:08,540 --> 00:23:58,979 exploring the bizarre so stay tuned for 485 00:24:15,270 --> 00:24:12,690 now back to exploring the bazaars with 486 00:24:18,570 --> 00:24:15,280 two of the most electrifying researchers 487 00:24:26,490 --> 00:24:18,580 in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becca 488 00:24:28,410 --> 00:24:26,500 Lee and Kings lists welcome back to 489 00:24:31,620 --> 00:24:28,420 exploring the bizarre right now we are 490 00:24:34,530 --> 00:24:31,630 talking with Nick Redfern and before we 491 00:24:41,310 --> 00:24:34,540 had to go to our break we were talking 492 00:24:44,220 --> 00:24:41,320 about Bob Lazar and so Nick I know that 493 00:24:47,610 --> 00:24:44,230 you have have written before that that 494 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:47,620 you think that that Bob probably did see 495 00:24:52,650 --> 00:24:51,250 what he claimed to see but you know you 496 00:24:56,360 --> 00:24:52,660 think that there could be a possibility 497 00:25:00,450 --> 00:24:56,370 that his interpretation of what he saw 498 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:00,460 may not be the actual facts one of the 499 00:25:06,540 --> 00:25:03,010 things I actually extensively expand on 500 00:25:08,190 --> 00:25:06,550 in the book namely the idea that Lazar 501 00:25:10,590 --> 00:25:08,200 was deliberately brought into the 502 00:25:13,950 --> 00:25:10,600 program essentially like as a as a 503 00:25:16,860 --> 00:25:13,960 unknowing patsy and the idea being that 504 00:25:19,980 --> 00:25:16,870 he was shown allegedly classified files 505 00:25:22,890 --> 00:25:19,990 on the history of UFO programs in the US 506 00:25:26,070 --> 00:25:22,900 and Roswell and stuff like that but and 507 00:25:28,380 --> 00:25:26,080 also shown a number of odd-looking craft 508 00:25:31,310 --> 00:25:28,390 but the theory is that maybe this was 509 00:25:35,100 --> 00:25:31,320 all a brilliant sort of strange ruse 510 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:35,110 possibly aimed at the Soviets as it was 511 00:25:40,410 --> 00:25:37,450 still the Soviet Union then trying to 512 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:40,420 convince the Soviets that we had access 513 00:25:45,690 --> 00:25:43,690 to alien technology and kind of put the 514 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:45,700 you know the fear of God into the 515 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:48,490 Russians but also to try and smoke out 516 00:25:54,660 --> 00:25:51,250 Russian agents that were believed to be 517 00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:54,670 in the Nevada area and trying to figure 518 00:26:00,690 --> 00:25:57,490 out what was going on at area 51 so the 519 00:26:04,980 --> 00:26:00,700 theory is they gave these you know Ivan 520 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:04,990 and Dmitry you know pointers in relation 521 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:08,170 to classified information on UFOs which 522 00:26:15,630 --> 00:26:12,210 was basically bogus material designed to 523 00:26:17,780 --> 00:26:15,640 smoke out those same agents in that sin 524 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:17,790 you know nothing was actually 525 00:26:22,530 --> 00:26:20,530 compromised the Russians agents were 526 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:22,540 captured as they were trying to figure 527 00:26:28,620 --> 00:26:25,330 out what was going on with Lazar and no 528 00:26:31,350 --> 00:26:28,630 real stories no real classified secrets 529 00:26:33,330 --> 00:26:31,360 were compromised just bizarre stories of 530 00:26:35,610 --> 00:26:33,340 aliens that they used to try and reel in 531 00:26:38,820 --> 00:26:35,620 the Soviets which if you think about it 532 00:26:41,150 --> 00:26:38,830 it might sound strange but using the UFO 533 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:41,160 subject as a means to try and reel in 534 00:26:48,630 --> 00:26:45,250 Soviet agents would be an ideal way to 535 00:26:55,020 --> 00:26:48,640 kind of do it you know well the thing 536 00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:55,030 about Lazzara also is that they the Air 537 00:26:58,920 --> 00:26:57,250 Force the CIA you know whoever was 538 00:27:02,820 --> 00:26:58,930 responsible responsible for doing this 539 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:02,830 an area 51 you know realize that you 540 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:05,530 know this was this was a guy who was 541 00:27:14,790 --> 00:27:09,330 extremely intelligent so they really 542 00:27:17,070 --> 00:27:14,800 probably brought out some really 543 00:27:21,210 --> 00:27:17,080 top-secret technology in order to be 544 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:21,220 able to fool him yeah that particular 545 00:27:26,100 --> 00:27:23,050 seems an interesting one but admittedly 546 00:27:28,290 --> 00:27:26,110 it is reliance on you know an incredible 547 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:28,300 rooves having been created like for 548 00:27:34,140 --> 00:27:30,930 example you know he claimed to have read 549 00:27:35,820 --> 00:27:34,150 untold numbers of classified files on 550 00:27:37,890 --> 00:27:35,830 the history of the UFO phenomena and the 551 00:27:40,380 --> 00:27:37,900 government's secret knowledge of the 552 00:27:44,340 --> 00:27:40,390 subject so a lot of would have to gone 553 00:27:46,170 --> 00:27:44,350 into that but more so you know the craft 554 00:27:48,090 --> 00:27:46,180 that potentially looked like flying 555 00:27:50,250 --> 00:27:48,100 saucers would have had to have been 556 00:27:53,670 --> 00:27:50,260 constructed also which wouldn't 557 00:27:56,010 --> 00:27:53,680 necessarily have been impossible but he 558 00:27:59,040 --> 00:27:56,020 does demonstrate that he's that's theory 559 00:28:01,740 --> 00:27:59,050 is the true one then a lot of work would 560 00:28:03,930 --> 00:28:01,750 have gone into it or by the other token 561 00:28:06,750 --> 00:28:03,940 you know maybe Lazar was actually 562 00:28:11,850 --> 00:28:06,760 telling the story really as he was you 563 00:28:14,930 --> 00:28:11,860 know well I guess that some people asked 564 00:28:17,910 --> 00:28:14,940 him you know some of the more mundane 565 00:28:20,190 --> 00:28:17,920 aspects of where he was located a 566 00:28:24,300 --> 00:28:20,200 tarah51 like it where the cafeteria was 567 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:24,310 and where the bathroom was and and he he 568 00:28:27,540 --> 00:28:26,410 told them you know he said well Garcia I 569 00:28:29,140 --> 00:28:27,550 don't think there's anybody who's able 570 00:28:31,690 --> 00:28:29,150 to verify that 571 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:31,700 but you know he's able to say well yeah 572 00:28:34,420 --> 00:28:32,930 you know from this room you know you go 573 00:28:36,220 --> 00:28:34,430 down the hallway and turn left him there 574 00:28:37,330 --> 00:28:36,230 was the bathroom and you know those kind 575 00:28:40,299 --> 00:28:37,340 of stories he'd never really wavered 576 00:28:42,549 --> 00:28:40,309 from yeah and one of the other things 577 00:28:45,490 --> 00:28:42,559 that sort of goes against you know the 578 00:28:48,370 --> 00:28:45,500 hoaxing unless it's like a really sort 579 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:48,380 of multi-layered conspiracy theory one 580 00:28:54,670 --> 00:28:50,570 of the things is that Lazar said on one 581 00:28:56,890 --> 00:28:54,680 occasion he was deliberately by some of 582 00:28:59,350 --> 00:28:56,900 the staff he was deliberately taken down 583 00:29:04,360 --> 00:28:59,360 one particular corridor which had a door 584 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:04,370 on its right and a glass entry and one 585 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:06,050 of the staff said when we walk past that 586 00:29:11,919 --> 00:29:09,410 door don't look in that room you know 587 00:29:12,910 --> 00:29:11,929 which is like kinda you know you you 588 00:29:14,950 --> 00:29:12,920 just want to look 589 00:29:17,770 --> 00:29:14,960 well Lazar went was taken down that 590 00:29:19,299 --> 00:29:17,780 corridor and did certainly you know he 591 00:29:21,370 --> 00:29:19,309 did what he wasn't supposed to do he 592 00:29:24,490 --> 00:29:21,380 quickly had a look and he said he saw 593 00:29:26,770 --> 00:29:24,500 two guys in sort of like white coat 594 00:29:29,410 --> 00:29:26,780 looking down at a small figure about 595 00:29:31,090 --> 00:29:29,420 three feet tall and they assured him on 596 00:29:33,850 --> 00:29:31,100 and pushed him on so he barely had like 597 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:33,860 a second or cell to see it but you know 598 00:29:37,780 --> 00:29:35,330 a lot of people would say oh my god 599 00:29:41,500 --> 00:29:37,790 that's proof or they're aliens at area 600 00:29:44,830 --> 00:29:41,510 51 but to his credit because the term to 601 00:29:47,410 --> 00:29:44,840 use Lazar said he actually felt it was 602 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:47,420 like a staged thing to try and convince 603 00:29:54,370 --> 00:29:51,050 him that that the area 51 was in cahoots 604 00:29:55,919 --> 00:29:54,380 with living aliens now I would have 605 00:29:59,919 --> 00:29:55,929 thought that somebody really 606 00:30:02,350 --> 00:29:59,929 perpetrating an amazing hoax would say 607 00:30:04,750 --> 00:30:02,360 oh yeah that was proof of aliens at area 608 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:04,760 51 but Lazar said no he felt it was a 609 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:07,130 mind game that was being played on him 610 00:30:12,549 --> 00:30:10,610 by the staff or obscure reasons that he 611 00:30:15,100 --> 00:30:12,559 didn't necessarily have the big picture 612 00:30:18,310 --> 00:30:15,110 for so that that two doesn't sound like 613 00:30:19,750 --> 00:30:18,320 your average hoax or who would you know 614 00:30:22,299 --> 00:30:19,760 yeah bridge hoax that would milk that 615 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:22,309 story all the way and say oh yeah I saw 616 00:30:27,430 --> 00:30:25,250 an alien and it wasn't a dummy but Lazar 617 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:27,440 said well no I think it probably was a 618 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:28,210 dummy 619 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:32,210 and when Lazar I mean he's he's not the 620 00:30:38,890 --> 00:30:35,530 only person who has had similar 621 00:30:42,030 --> 00:30:38,900 experiences with the military that 622 00:30:47,430 --> 00:30:42,040 seemed to point to possible 623 00:30:49,290 --> 00:30:47,440 a human-alien interaction but could 624 00:30:52,790 --> 00:30:49,300 actually point to you know like you were 625 00:30:55,830 --> 00:30:52,800 saying you know some kind of setup oh 626 00:30:58,500 --> 00:30:55,840 yeah I mean you can go through the the 627 00:31:00,780 --> 00:30:58,510 80s and the 90s and through right now 628 00:31:02,940 --> 00:31:00,790 pretty much the present day where you 629 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:02,950 know number of whistleblowers so-called 630 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:05,290 whistle blows have come forward stating 631 00:31:12,780 --> 00:31:08,770 you know or sharing stories very similar 632 00:31:17,700 --> 00:31:12,790 to lazarre's you know working on super 633 00:31:20,930 --> 00:31:17,710 heavy elements designed to to fly flying 634 00:31:24,870 --> 00:31:20,940 saucer type craft in the skies of Nevada 635 00:31:27,630 --> 00:31:24,880 other people claim to have seen alien 636 00:31:31,220 --> 00:31:27,640 autopsies as far as an alien autopsies 637 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:31,230 and a tarah51 also claimed to have seen 638 00:31:37,950 --> 00:31:34,570 alien bodies in cryogenic tanks out at 639 00:31:40,770 --> 00:31:37,960 the base and all sorts of aspects of you 640 00:31:42,900 --> 00:31:40,780 know the more controversial aspects of 641 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:42,910 the UFO subject but they all kind of 642 00:31:57,030 --> 00:31:52,860 so Tim Beckley was was wanting to know 643 00:32:03,000 --> 00:31:57,040 about some of these the these other you 644 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:03,010 know now unfortunately somewhat obscure 645 00:32:09,410 --> 00:32:06,210 figures it was a Dorothy Q Garen is that 646 00:32:13,350 --> 00:32:09,420 people you're talking about yeah and 647 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:13,360 their possible associations with the you 648 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:16,570 know UFO mystery well and and the other 649 00:32:26,690 --> 00:32:22,170 interesting thing is that you start to 650 00:32:31,370 --> 00:32:26,700 you you start to trace some of these 651 00:32:36,300 --> 00:32:31,380 sources and you see this kind of strange 652 00:32:41,820 --> 00:32:36,310 connection between say like area 51 the 653 00:32:45,030 --> 00:32:41,830 UFO mystery the JFK assassination even 654 00:32:46,950 --> 00:32:45,040 as far as you know I mean you know and 655 00:32:49,410 --> 00:32:46,960 it is kind of you know far out there but 656 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:49,420 you know like the death of Marilyn 657 00:32:54,659 --> 00:32:51,130 Monroe 658 00:32:58,049 --> 00:32:54,669 and it just seems you know weird to me 659 00:33:02,850 --> 00:32:58,059 that you have what seems to be very 660 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:02,860 diverse subjects that if you look hard 661 00:33:07,529 --> 00:33:04,570 enough there there seems to be a 662 00:33:09,149 --> 00:33:07,539 possible connection yeah you're right 663 00:33:11,970 --> 00:33:09,159 this gets into sort of really 664 00:33:15,060 --> 00:33:11,980 controversial of weird areas now what 665 00:33:19,590 --> 00:33:15,070 happened in this kind of all began in 666 00:33:22,620 --> 00:33:19,600 the mid 1990s for simply 1995 when a guy 667 00:33:25,350 --> 00:33:22,630 named Milo sprig Leo held a press 668 00:33:28,259 --> 00:33:25,360 conference in California now sprig leo 669 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:28,269 who is dead now but he wrote three books 670 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:30,610 on the death of Marilyn Monroe all 671 00:33:35,519 --> 00:33:33,370 basically following up the sort of 672 00:33:37,980 --> 00:33:35,529 conspiracy angle that he wasn't suicide 673 00:33:41,490 --> 00:33:37,990 or accidental death that it was you know 674 00:33:43,799 --> 00:33:41,500 that the Kennedy brothers had shared 675 00:33:46,710 --> 00:33:43,809 information with Marilyn Monroe 676 00:33:48,690 --> 00:33:46,720 classified been information as a means 677 00:33:50,460 --> 00:33:48,700 to try and kind of impress her into the 678 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:50,470 bedroom that kind of thing and then when 679 00:33:55,499 --> 00:33:52,090 they all fell out 680 00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:55,509 the Kennedys realized that you know she 681 00:33:59,249 --> 00:33:57,370 got all this classified information from 682 00:34:01,950 --> 00:33:59,259 them and she was a threat to national 683 00:34:03,899 --> 00:34:01,960 security and so next thing happens she 684 00:34:06,419 --> 00:34:03,909 dies that's the that's sort of the 685 00:34:10,230 --> 00:34:06,429 conspiratorial theory as it stands to 686 00:34:12,990 --> 00:34:10,240 this day in ninety five sprig leo it was 687 00:34:16,819 --> 00:34:13,000 also a private detective he released 688 00:34:20,790 --> 00:34:16,829 this one page alleged CIA documents 689 00:34:24,839 --> 00:34:20,800 talking about Marilyn Monroe's knowledge 690 00:34:27,059 --> 00:34:24,849 of certain information given to her by 691 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:27,069 the Kennedys and this was actually a CIA 692 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:30,010 document that was working on wiretap 693 00:34:37,579 --> 00:34:34,290 data that the CIA had sort of planted in 694 00:34:40,589 --> 00:34:37,589 Marilyn Monroe's home and so on and 695 00:34:43,050 --> 00:34:40,599 according to the documents one of the 696 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:43,060 stories that the Kennedys told Marilyn 697 00:34:48,750 --> 00:34:46,450 Monroe related to strange bodies didn't 698 00:34:51,419 --> 00:34:48,760 but doesn't refer aliens or UFOs as a 699 00:34:53,730 --> 00:34:51,429 lot of people assume if they have read 700 00:34:56,700 --> 00:34:53,740 the document carefully but he does talk 701 00:34:59,069 --> 00:34:56,710 about strange bodies and craft from 702 00:35:02,160 --> 00:34:59,079 outer space the inferences they're 703 00:35:04,860 --> 00:35:02,170 talking about aliens now and it also 704 00:35:08,190 --> 00:35:04,870 talks about the president's visit to 705 00:35:10,140 --> 00:35:08,200 a secret base to see these things from 706 00:35:13,140 --> 00:35:10,150 space so the idea of a secret base 707 00:35:17,210 --> 00:35:13,150 almost immediately you know sort of 708 00:35:19,950 --> 00:35:17,220 creates imagery of area 51 but in 1962 709 00:35:21,900 --> 00:35:19,960 context now a lot of people don't know 710 00:35:26,670 --> 00:35:21,910 but I talk about quite deeply in the 711 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:26,680 book is that also in 1962 you had 712 00:35:31,350 --> 00:35:28,810 something else happen that a lot of 713 00:35:34,290 --> 00:35:31,360 people don't know about and that was the 714 00:35:37,710 --> 00:35:34,300 release of a hollow Hollywood movie 715 00:35:40,700 --> 00:35:37,720 called seven days in May and seven days 716 00:35:44,430 --> 00:35:40,710 in May it's a really good film stars 717 00:35:46,830 --> 00:35:44,440 Kirk Douglas and Ava Gardner and Burt 718 00:35:48,810 --> 00:35:46,840 Lancaster and it's about a coup within 719 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:48,820 the US military that tries to take over 720 00:35:53,790 --> 00:35:52,090 the US government and a lot of this the 721 00:35:56,910 --> 00:35:53,800 real well all the work to try to 722 00:36:00,830 --> 00:35:56,920 overthrow the government is undertaken 723 00:36:03,260 --> 00:36:00,840 at a secret place in the desert called 724 00:36:07,530 --> 00:36:03,270 scurvy what's the name the exact name 725 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:07,540 site why likewise the yellow site why in 726 00:36:11,730 --> 00:36:09,010 the movie and the book of the same name 727 00:36:13,950 --> 00:36:11,740 the novel of the same name now if you 728 00:36:16,620 --> 00:36:13,960 watch the movie and read the book site 729 00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:16,630 why the secret base in the gut in the 730 00:36:20,610 --> 00:36:18,610 desert that even the government or the 731 00:36:26,220 --> 00:36:20,620 president doesn't know about sounds 732 00:36:28,470 --> 00:36:26,230 extraordinarily like area 51 and the 733 00:36:32,130 --> 00:36:28,480 story of site y which was also turned 734 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:32,140 into a movie was released the novel was 735 00:36:36,500 --> 00:36:34,210 released in the same year that Marilyn 736 00:36:40,140 --> 00:36:36,510 Monroe and this the significant 737 00:36:43,110 --> 00:36:40,150 suggestions that had been a leak in the 738 00:36:45,780 --> 00:36:43,120 early 60s about the existence of 51 739 00:36:48,150 --> 00:36:45,790 which led to the development of the 740 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:48,160 movie and the the claims in the CIA 741 00:36:53,790 --> 00:36:51,130 documents so you know you can make a 742 00:36:57,420 --> 00:36:53,800 case that somebody in the early sixties 743 00:37:00,690 --> 00:36:57,430 had leaked information on area 51 to the 744 00:37:04,830 --> 00:37:00,700 creators of seven days in May and the 745 00:37:07,890 --> 00:37:04,840 authors of the novel and it became known 746 00:37:09,720 --> 00:37:07,900 speaking fictional terms as site-wide 747 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:09,730 but for all intents and purposes if you 748 00:37:16,170 --> 00:37:11,650 look at it today it's you might as well 749 00:37:18,370 --> 00:37:16,180 call it area 51 that that is a great 750 00:37:20,530 --> 00:37:18,380 movie by the way seven days in May 751 00:37:25,180 --> 00:37:20,540 I need I need watch that again in a 752 00:37:26,860 --> 00:37:25,190 while you know you'll see you know 753 00:37:29,350 --> 00:37:26,870 almost instantaneously when they bring 754 00:37:31,060 --> 00:37:29,360 sight why up and the government doesn't 755 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:31,070 know and the president doesn't know and 756 00:37:36,670 --> 00:37:33,650 he sort of funded outside of you know 757 00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:36,680 Congress you you think well this is area 758 00:37:44,530 --> 00:37:42,050 51 you know but the movie was 1962 mmm I 759 00:37:46,150 --> 00:37:44,540 don't know if you remember this you know 760 00:37:48,460 --> 00:37:46,160 talking about Marilyn Monroe but I mean 761 00:37:53,770 --> 00:37:48,470 it's been more than five years ago but I 762 00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:53,780 guess that I I read this news report and 763 00:37:57,540 --> 00:37:55,610 you know it happened once and I've never 764 00:38:00,850 --> 00:37:57,550 been able to find it again where 765 00:38:04,330 --> 00:38:00,860 somebody who was renovating Marilyn's 766 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:04,340 house where she had died found like 767 00:38:11,530 --> 00:38:07,810 decrepid radio transmitter equipment in 768 00:38:14,470 --> 00:38:11,540 in the chimney and yeah they couldn't 769 00:38:16,810 --> 00:38:14,480 you know it you know by that point it it 770 00:38:18,250 --> 00:38:16,820 was rusted and falling apart but they 771 00:38:21,970 --> 00:38:18,260 definitely could tell that it was some 772 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:21,980 kind of transmitter so definitely 773 00:38:26,410 --> 00:38:25,010 somebody was interested in what Marilyn 774 00:38:29,020 --> 00:38:26,420 was doing around the time that she 775 00:38:30,940 --> 00:38:29,030 passed away well that's interesting you 776 00:38:32,590 --> 00:38:30,950 should say that because you know as we 777 00:38:34,810 --> 00:38:32,600 got into this at the start you know 778 00:38:36,990 --> 00:38:34,820 mentioned Dorothy Kilgallen well Dorothy 779 00:38:41,050 --> 00:38:37,000 Kilgallen was a well-known investigative 780 00:38:45,610 --> 00:38:41,060 journalist and TV celebrity in the late 781 00:38:48,090 --> 00:38:45,620 50s through the 60s and the the see the 782 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:48,100 alleged CIA document is essentially 783 00:38:56,230 --> 00:38:52,010 transcripts of sort of tape recordings 784 00:38:59,470 --> 00:38:56,240 of conversations between Marilyn Monroe 785 00:39:02,140 --> 00:38:59,480 a man named Howard Rothberg who was a 786 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:02,150 friend of Dorothy Kilgallen and we've 787 00:39:05,830 --> 00:39:04,010 dealt Dorothy Kilgallen as well and 788 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:05,840 according to the document the CIA were 789 00:39:11,430 --> 00:39:07,610 listening to all three Marilyn Monroe 790 00:39:14,250 --> 00:39:11,440 paragraph burg Dorothy Kilgallen and 791 00:39:17,050 --> 00:39:14,260 basically it was a case of the CIA 792 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:17,060 listening in not of the government but 793 00:39:23,170 --> 00:39:20,410 to these three people and realizing that 794 00:39:26,620 --> 00:39:23,180 they have essentially been given stuff 795 00:39:30,910 --> 00:39:26,630 that related right back to the Kennedys 796 00:39:31,610 --> 00:39:30,920 now we do know that for sure that you 797 00:39:34,100 --> 00:39:31,620 know Marilyn 798 00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:34,110 Munroe was born under deep surveillance 799 00:39:38,990 --> 00:39:36,330 if you read if you read her now 800 00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:39,000 Declassified FBI file for example which 801 00:39:44,540 --> 00:39:41,610 you can find online at the FBI's website 802 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:44,550 the vault you can see in there how she 803 00:39:49,340 --> 00:39:47,330 was being watched extremely closely and 804 00:39:51,170 --> 00:39:49,350 estimates have suggested that perhaps 805 00:39:54,950 --> 00:39:51,180 even three four maybe five or six 806 00:39:59,960 --> 00:39:54,960 intelligence agencies independently had 807 00:40:02,390 --> 00:39:59,970 her home wiretap if you like to ensure 808 00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:02,400 or to see who was talking to her and who 809 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:04,170 was spilling secrets you know to get 810 00:40:10,340 --> 00:40:06,810 somebody into bed that kind of thing hmm 811 00:40:12,770 --> 00:40:10,350 and door to yourself she she died under 812 00:40:15,980 --> 00:40:12,780 somewhat mysterious circumstances injury 813 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:15,990 yes she did I mean what's interesting is 814 00:40:23,060 --> 00:40:20,010 that you know we have this canidius JFK 815 00:40:25,310 --> 00:40:23,070 connection to Marilyn Monroe and after 816 00:40:30,940 --> 00:40:25,320 President Kennedy was was killed on 817 00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:30,950 November 22nd 1963 Dorothy Kilgallen 818 00:40:36,050 --> 00:40:33,930 started her own investigation of the 819 00:40:38,830 --> 00:40:36,060 assassination she was actually one of 820 00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:38,840 the last people to have a one-to-one 821 00:40:45,130 --> 00:40:41,490 interview with Jack Ruby who shot and 822 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:45,140 killed Lee Harvey Oswald the day after 823 00:40:53,270 --> 00:40:48,410 Oswald supposedly killed the President 824 00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:53,280 and she claimed that she was getting 825 00:40:58,100 --> 00:40:55,410 close to the truth of the UFO phenomenon 826 00:41:00,620 --> 00:40:58,110 then in 1967 she was found dead in bed 827 00:41:05,090 --> 00:41:00,630 from what was described as an accidental 828 00:41:08,140 --> 00:41:05,100 overdose on pills and alcohol now what's 829 00:41:10,370 --> 00:41:08,150 intriguing is if you go back to 1955 830 00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:10,380 when Dorothy Kilgallen 831 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:12,690 was on vacation with her husband in 832 00:41:15,530 --> 00:41:13,410 Europe 833 00:41:18,980 --> 00:41:15,540 she wrote a story when she got back 834 00:41:20,690 --> 00:41:18,990 about how high-ranking official in the 835 00:41:23,420 --> 00:41:20,700 British government had told her about a 836 00:41:25,490 --> 00:41:23,430 story of crashed UFOs and dead aliens in 837 00:41:28,580 --> 00:41:25,500 the desert etc which sounds very much 838 00:41:31,700 --> 00:41:28,590 like the content in the CIA documents 839 00:41:34,010 --> 00:41:31,710 and so Dorothy Kilgallen as a result of 840 00:41:39,020 --> 00:41:34,020 that meeting in the UK you can actually 841 00:41:42,590 --> 00:41:39,030 find her article online as a result of 842 00:41:45,319 --> 00:41:42,600 that exposure on her parts of the UFO 843 00:41:48,199 --> 00:41:45,329 subject and deep friendship 844 00:41:50,329 --> 00:41:48,209 Marilyn Monroe you start to see the 845 00:41:53,089 --> 00:41:50,339 threads come together and then he ties 846 00:41:55,999 --> 00:41:53,099 in the same year she as Marilyn died 847 00:42:00,019 --> 00:41:56,009 you've got seven days in May coming out 848 00:42:02,029 --> 00:42:00,029 and this barely disguised military 849 00:42:04,519 --> 00:42:02,039 installation which sounds just like area 850 00:42:06,459 --> 00:42:04,529 51 you put all those pieces together and 851 00:42:09,109 --> 00:42:06,469 you actually do have something that 852 00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:09,119 seems to be quite credible when you put 853 00:42:18,529 --> 00:42:13,170 all the pieces together so what's 854 00:42:20,809 --> 00:42:18,539 happened to Dorothy's uh notes paperwork 855 00:42:23,989 --> 00:42:20,819 things like that but you know if she was 856 00:42:25,910 --> 00:42:23,999 getting that close she undoubtedly had 857 00:42:28,699 --> 00:42:25,920 to have you know some of this written 858 00:42:31,940 --> 00:42:28,709 down well yeah I mean some of our 859 00:42:34,519 --> 00:42:31,950 records are available for example you 860 00:42:37,219 --> 00:42:34,529 know there are a number of JFK based 861 00:42:39,949 --> 00:42:37,229 archives where you know people who 862 00:42:41,479 --> 00:42:39,959 corresponded we've heard donated you 863 00:42:43,279 --> 00:42:41,489 know their correspondence and letters 864 00:42:45,349 --> 00:42:43,289 that kind of thing you can read those 865 00:42:49,130 --> 00:42:45,359 and I managed to get Dorothy Kilgallen 866 00:42:52,789 --> 00:42:49,140 FBI file as well which runs to about 200 867 00:42:55,279 --> 00:42:52,799 250 pages I also got the CIA's file on 868 00:42:59,059 --> 00:42:55,289 her which is only about 50 pay s carry 869 00:43:01,910 --> 00:42:59,069 15 pages and is heavily sanitized that 870 00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:01,920 really doesn't tell you much at all but 871 00:43:07,459 --> 00:43:03,930 what is interesting is if you look at 872 00:43:09,319 --> 00:43:07,469 the FBI's file they were watching her 873 00:43:11,569 --> 00:43:09,329 pretty much 24/7 874 00:43:14,299 --> 00:43:11,579 I mean copies of all her articles 875 00:43:17,359 --> 00:43:14,309 throughout the fifties appear in that 876 00:43:20,329 --> 00:43:17,369 file as do summaries written by FBI 877 00:43:22,549 --> 00:43:20,339 agents for J Edgar Hoover summarizing 878 00:43:25,870 --> 00:43:22,559 what she was walking of what she was 879 00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:25,880 talking about and writing about and 880 00:43:30,199 --> 00:43:28,410 concerns that she had sort of you know 881 00:43:32,870 --> 00:43:30,209 whistleblowers and inside the store 882 00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:32,880 sources and stories 883 00:43:37,939 --> 00:43:35,729 the FBI viewed her with a great deal of 884 00:43:39,499 --> 00:43:37,949 concern because she was you know what 885 00:43:42,380 --> 00:43:39,509 today you would call sort of like a 886 00:43:44,959 --> 00:43:42,390 definitive investigative journalist who 887 00:43:48,559 --> 00:43:44,969 would kept pushing and pushing until she 888 00:43:51,709 --> 00:43:48,569 got the answers you need we need more 889 00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:51,719 people like that nowadays she seems like 890 00:43:58,920 --> 00:43:53,729 the fine art of investigative reporting 891 00:44:03,390 --> 00:44:01,049 but if you've ever seen the movie with 892 00:44:06,150 --> 00:44:03,400 Warren Beatty the parallax leo 893 00:44:08,789 --> 00:44:06,160 yes haptic movie where there's this 894 00:44:10,769 --> 00:44:08,799 secret group that sort of hires 895 00:44:12,299 --> 00:44:10,779 assassins you know to carry out 896 00:44:15,029 --> 00:44:12,309 assassinations where it cannot be 897 00:44:16,650 --> 00:44:15,039 tracked down well one of the characters 898 00:44:19,410 --> 00:44:16,660 in there is played by an actress named 899 00:44:22,620 --> 00:44:19,420 Paula Prentiss who is a journalist who 900 00:44:24,299 --> 00:44:22,630 dies suddenly after she tells Warren 901 00:44:26,819 --> 00:44:24,309 Beatty's character that she's worried 902 00:44:29,130 --> 00:44:26,829 she's going to die and that character 903 00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:29,140 poor play by Paula Prentiss is actually 904 00:44:36,150 --> 00:44:32,410 based on Dorothy Kilgallen no I didn't 905 00:44:37,140 --> 00:44:36,160 know that yeah so okay now where does 906 00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:37,150 this leave then 907 00:44:46,650 --> 00:44:42,130 currently area 51 when it comes to UFOs 908 00:44:49,890 --> 00:44:46,660 I mean it still has that that stigma 909 00:44:53,670 --> 00:44:49,900 attached to it so to speak but I mean is 910 00:44:55,289 --> 00:44:53,680 it is it still being pushed like it like 911 00:44:57,720 --> 00:44:55,299 it used to be especially you know I can 912 00:44:59,430 --> 00:44:57,730 the 80s and early nineties yeah well 913 00:45:01,950 --> 00:44:59,440 that's a good question because if you 914 00:45:03,990 --> 00:45:01,960 look at things back in the 80s and 90s I 915 00:45:06,329 --> 00:45:04,000 mean that's really when lazar was at his 916 00:45:09,559 --> 00:45:06,339 height late night late eighties early to 917 00:45:12,329 --> 00:45:09,569 mid 90s then you had other 918 00:45:15,720 --> 00:45:12,339 whistleblowers and climbers coming 919 00:45:18,240 --> 00:45:15,730 forward to be telling broadly similar 920 00:45:21,510 --> 00:45:18,250 stories but you know and certainly not 921 00:45:25,230 --> 00:45:21,520 as in-depth and as extensive of his 922 00:45:30,180 --> 00:45:25,240 story but in the years that sort of went 923 00:45:33,180 --> 00:45:30,190 on from 18 9 1991 you had the you know 924 00:45:35,700 --> 00:45:33,190 the servicing of the x-files show which 925 00:45:38,460 --> 00:45:35,710 actually featured area 51 in a number of 926 00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:38,470 episodes as did another short-lived show 927 00:45:44,490 --> 00:45:41,170 called dark skies they all also covered 928 00:45:47,490 --> 00:45:44,500 and on top of that the guys who made 929 00:45:50,789 --> 00:45:47,500 Independence Day the air force was kind 930 00:45:52,260 --> 00:45:50,799 of really gung-ho to help with the show 931 00:45:54,059 --> 00:45:52,270 because it was you know the movie 932 00:45:57,359 --> 00:45:54,069 because it was perceived as being you 933 00:46:00,299 --> 00:45:57,369 know showing the US military in a good 934 00:46:02,039 --> 00:46:00,309 light until that is the the creators of 935 00:46:04,109 --> 00:46:02,049 the movie said well we want to make 936 00:46:07,260 --> 00:46:04,119 mention of area 51 and the pending room 937 00:46:09,359 --> 00:46:07,270 it was like no way you might then leave 938 00:46:11,250 --> 00:46:09,369 all the references out to area 51 or we 939 00:46:12,510 --> 00:46:11,260 don't help you about that's a true story 940 00:46:15,270 --> 00:46:12,520 and they the 941 00:46:17,370 --> 00:46:15,280 the production company would not back 942 00:46:19,170 --> 00:46:17,380 down and the Air Force said sorry we're 943 00:46:21,450 --> 00:46:19,180 not going to help you that was through 944 00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:21,460 the 90s and certainly today you know 945 00:46:25,830 --> 00:46:23,890 there are still stories of you know 946 00:46:30,690 --> 00:46:25,840 people coming forward with strange 947 00:46:33,330 --> 00:46:30,700 stories of evidence and claims of super 948 00:46:36,270 --> 00:46:33,340 secret aircraft out at area 51 sort of 949 00:46:38,310 --> 00:46:36,280 triangular shaped things that can travel 950 00:46:41,030 --> 00:46:38,320 to the moon in back in silence you know 951 00:46:44,430 --> 00:46:41,040 a lot of really extreme bizarre tales 952 00:46:46,770 --> 00:46:44,440 the go far beyond you know Lazar and 953 00:46:49,380 --> 00:46:46,780 things like this so but there's no doubt 954 00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:49,390 that you know area 51 isn't just known 955 00:46:55,470 --> 00:46:51,970 for being you know the world's most 956 00:46:58,800 --> 00:46:55,480 famous secret place but it's also become 957 00:47:01,710 --> 00:46:58,810 part of US pop culture you know that's 958 00:47:04,830 --> 00:47:01,720 where it's at now it's kind of like up 959 00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:04,840 there with tales of Roswell Jack the 960 00:47:11,010 --> 00:47:08,290 Ripper who shot JFK all of those kind of 961 00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:11,020 controversial issues area 51 has become 962 00:47:17,030 --> 00:47:13,690 one of them and the chances are it's 963 00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:17,040 always going to be one of them as well 964 00:47:25,340 --> 00:47:21,850 very interesting well we are coming up 965 00:47:29,900 --> 00:47:25,350 to our top of the hour break got about 966 00:47:32,490 --> 00:47:29,910 less than a minute and when we come back 967 00:47:35,460 --> 00:47:32,500 Nicola Nick will still be with us but 968 00:47:38,820 --> 00:47:35,470 we'll also bring in our good friend 969 00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:38,830 Hercules we're gonna ask him about about 970 00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:41,170 his books and you know I'm also going to 971 00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:43,210 ask about because Nick's other book is 972 00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:43,690 top-secret 973 00:47:48,030 --> 00:47:45,490 alien abduction files and I'll be 974 00:47:49,830 --> 00:47:48,040 interested to know if you know hercules 975 00:47:52,500 --> 00:47:49,840 sees any connection with you know the 976 00:47:55,500 --> 00:47:52,510 modern-day talks of alien abductions and 977 00:47:58,320 --> 00:47:55,510 maybe some of the Greek legends that the 978 00:48:01,710 --> 00:47:58,330 gods abducting fair maidens and like all 979 00:48:10,720 --> 00:48:01,720 on exploring the bazaars so stay tuned 980 00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:15,230 explore the bazaars or e-ticket ride 981 00:48:20,990 --> 00:48:17,690 into the world of the paranoid 982 00:48:25,270 --> 00:48:21,000 strap yourself in as we traverse the 983 00:48:28,390 --> 00:48:25,280 universe exploring the unexplained UFO s 984 00:48:30,770 --> 00:48:28,400 ghosts Lost Worlds 985 00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:30,780 cryptozoology as well as other 986 00:48:39,770 --> 00:48:34,650 dimensions it's time to take back the 987 00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:39,780 night now your electrifying hosts of 988 00:48:51,380 --> 00:48:42,930 exploring the bizarre Timothy Begley and 989 00:48:53,570 --> 00:48:51,390 team sports all right Tim welcome back 990 00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:53,580 to the second hour of exploring the 991 00:49:00,320 --> 00:48:57,770 bizarre where I'm on pins and needles 992 00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:00,330 well we're supposed to get some staff 993 00:49:06,650 --> 00:49:03,810 Hercules on the line but unfortunately 994 00:49:12,260 --> 00:49:06,660 well wait a minute I just his photo is 995 00:49:16,010 --> 00:49:12,270 appearing on my computer screen I don't 996 00:49:16,810 --> 00:49:16,020 want to out I'm at bla bla bla bla bla 997 00:49:19,190 --> 00:49:16,820 bla bla 998 00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:19,200 okay we'll just we'll just continue 999 00:49:26,359 --> 00:49:22,050 talking with with Nick until we can 1000 00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:26,369 bring Hercules into the conversation so 1001 00:49:32,380 --> 00:49:29,130 he was strong enough to make it on his 1002 00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:32,390 own that's right the mighty Hercules 1003 00:49:37,130 --> 00:49:34,650 used to be one of my favorite cartoons 1004 00:49:42,290 --> 00:49:37,140 when I was a kid I'm dating myself there 1005 00:49:44,540 --> 00:49:42,300 but Nick I wanted to ask you a couple 1006 00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:44,550 questions about your other most recent 1007 00:49:49,579 --> 00:49:46,650 book top secret alien abduction files 1008 00:49:52,970 --> 00:49:49,589 now you've got a story pretty much right 1009 00:49:55,970 --> 00:49:52,980 at the very beginning where you're 1010 00:50:00,290 --> 00:49:55,980 talking about the the the early 1011 00:50:02,720 --> 00:50:00,300 contactees and you've got this really 1012 00:50:05,089 --> 00:50:02,730 interesting story about this this parody 1013 00:50:09,170 --> 00:50:05,099 of the the these two gentlemen who 1014 00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:09,180 wasn't kind of glommed on to george damn 1015 00:50:13,849 --> 00:50:11,130 ski and this is really interesting you 1016 00:50:16,670 --> 00:50:13,859 know last week we had on Greg Bishop and 1017 00:50:19,350 --> 00:50:16,680 Adam go rightly talking about their new 1018 00:50:22,050 --> 00:50:19,360 book a aswer damn ski and 1019 00:50:25,890 --> 00:50:22,060 yeah just I don't think I've ever heard 1020 00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:25,900 this story before about these two guys 1021 00:50:33,210 --> 00:50:30,730 and their extensive FBI files so early 1022 00:50:36,570 --> 00:50:33,220 in the game oh yeah you're talking about 1023 00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:36,580 Carl Hanratty and Wilbur wilkinson yes 1024 00:50:41,180 --> 00:50:37,810 yeah 1025 00:50:44,670 --> 00:50:41,190 well they were two sort of devotees of 1026 00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:44,680 George Adamski and both men had an 1027 00:50:49,500 --> 00:50:47,170 interest in UFOs that went back to the 1028 00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:49,510 late 1940s after the whole Kenneth 1029 00:50:54,900 --> 00:50:52,810 Arnold thing kicked off and by the early 1030 00:50:56,730 --> 00:50:54,910 fifties were sort of really deep in 1031 00:50:59,220 --> 00:50:56,740 research but not with groups or 1032 00:51:03,470 --> 00:50:59,230 organizations just more like along the 1033 00:51:08,790 --> 00:51:03,480 lines of a hobby and both guys lived in 1034 00:51:11,550 --> 00:51:08,800 Racine Wisconsin at the time and Carl 1035 00:51:14,100 --> 00:51:11,560 Hanratty was sort of a more forceful one 1036 00:51:16,620 --> 00:51:14,110 I describe him is sort of like dr. 1037 00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:16,630 Frankenstein to wilkinson's bagel or 1038 00:51:25,050 --> 00:51:21,610 that kind of thing and and hun Rath was 1039 00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:25,060 a single guy's bachelor Wilkinson was 1040 00:51:30,210 --> 00:51:27,850 married with a couple of kids and one 1041 00:51:32,550 --> 00:51:30,220 point on Roth decided that where all the 1042 00:51:34,830 --> 00:51:32,560 UFO stuff the whole scenes going down in 1043 00:51:37,380 --> 00:51:34,840 California so he decided to head out 1044 00:51:39,780 --> 00:51:37,390 there and eventually managed to get 1045 00:51:41,010 --> 00:51:39,790 wilkinson to convince his wife that hey 1046 00:51:43,470 --> 00:51:41,020 you know we should move out to 1047 00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:43,480 California as well and so they literally 1048 00:51:48,300 --> 00:51:46,090 hooked up with everybody on the west 1049 00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:48,310 coast back then and sort of a you know 1050 00:51:54,570 --> 00:51:51,370 close by as well George Adamski George 1051 00:51:58,410 --> 00:51:54,580 Van Tassel Truman bathroom Orfeo Angelou 1052 00:52:02,640 --> 00:51:58,420 Chi or all of the early people in the 1053 00:52:05,340 --> 00:52:02,650 contactee movement and they were sort of 1054 00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:05,350 talking to everybody learning as much as 1055 00:52:12,780 --> 00:52:08,410 they could and but they had a really 1056 00:52:14,030 --> 00:52:12,790 intriguing situation happen and a very 1057 00:52:18,390 --> 00:52:14,040 odd story 1058 00:52:22,740 --> 00:52:18,400 for example hon Rath seemed to almost 1059 00:52:24,570 --> 00:52:22,750 effortlessly sort of movies way in into 1060 00:52:29,070 --> 00:52:24,580 you know the whole community in 1061 00:52:31,710 --> 00:52:29,080 California UFO research of that 1062 00:52:34,970 --> 00:52:31,720 particular area so the early fifties 1063 00:52:39,270 --> 00:52:34,980 and on top of that there were rumors but 1064 00:52:40,950 --> 00:52:39,280 the excuse me that George hunt 1065 00:52:43,050 --> 00:52:40,960 Williamson one of the other concepts 1066 00:52:45,870 --> 00:52:43,060 he's heard rumors the hon Rath was 1067 00:52:48,589 --> 00:52:45,880 supposedly had been sort of bought out 1068 00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:48,599 by the Russians and was acting as like a 1069 00:52:55,290 --> 00:52:53,410 Soviet spy so to speak and getting as 1070 00:52:58,230 --> 00:52:55,300 much information for the Russians as he 1071 00:53:00,030 --> 00:52:58,240 could on UFOs whether it was your foe 1072 00:53:02,430 --> 00:53:00,040 sightings or the concert tees or 1073 00:53:04,050 --> 00:53:02,440 whatever aspects of it now whether or 1074 00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:04,060 not that's true we don't know but it was 1075 00:53:12,060 --> 00:53:08,050 a an existing rumor and the references 1076 00:53:14,220 --> 00:53:12,070 in his FBI file to how supposedly he 1077 00:53:17,700 --> 00:53:14,230 developed technology to bring planes out 1078 00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:17,710 of the sky and he was quite happy in his 1079 00:53:22,230 --> 00:53:19,570 own words you know that he didn't matter 1080 00:53:24,060 --> 00:53:22,240 to him if it was American planes as long 1081 00:53:26,670 --> 00:53:24,070 as the technology worked he'd be happy 1082 00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:26,680 to see be put into place and he's very 1083 00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:30,130 controversial guy now the whole thing 1084 00:53:36,839 --> 00:53:33,450 came to a head in November 53 when 1085 00:53:38,910 --> 00:53:36,849 Wilkinson and hon Rath took off from a 1086 00:53:41,430 --> 00:53:38,920 small airport just outside of LA 1087 00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:41,440 claiming to people like Williams CERN 1088 00:53:45,660 --> 00:53:43,570 and other friends in the contacts a 1089 00:53:47,130 --> 00:53:45,670 movement claiming that they met with a 1090 00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:47,140 group of aliens and they were going to 1091 00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:50,890 fly off to meet them and see them where 1092 00:53:54,720 --> 00:53:52,330 there was going to be an important 1093 00:53:56,970 --> 00:53:54,730 exchange of information and this was 1094 00:53:59,670 --> 00:53:56,980 November 53 and that was the last that 1095 00:54:01,530 --> 00:53:59,680 was ever heard of Carl hundreth a Wilbur 1096 00:54:03,349 --> 00:54:01,540 Wilkinson they took off they hide this 1097 00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:03,359 little plane like a two seater plane 1098 00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:06,130 we're never seen again taking off from 1099 00:54:11,670 --> 00:54:08,530 just outside of LA and an extensive 1100 00:54:14,550 --> 00:54:11,680 study the area was undertaken by the 1101 00:54:17,310 --> 00:54:14,560 emergency services there was no you know 1102 00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:17,320 no wreckage was found no plane no lust 1103 00:54:23,370 --> 00:54:20,050 you know final messages on the radio and 1104 00:54:26,190 --> 00:54:23,380 you know no telltale fires or smoke 1105 00:54:28,650 --> 00:54:26,200 stacks out in the forests and so on for 1106 00:54:32,130 --> 00:54:28,660 all intents and purposes they really had 1107 00:54:34,650 --> 00:54:32,140 gone and very briefly it became a big 1108 00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:34,660 story in LA where the you know the three 1109 00:54:39,089 --> 00:54:37,450 or four big la newspapers that existed 1110 00:54:40,980 --> 00:54:39,099 at that time covered the whole story and 1111 00:54:42,450 --> 00:54:40,990 actually went to the house of mrs. 1112 00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:42,460 Wilkinson and said well what do you 1113 00:54:45,030 --> 00:54:44,170 think happened and she was like in tears 1114 00:54:51,030 --> 00:54:45,040 and 1115 00:54:53,250 --> 00:54:51,040 into the cellar of the house where there 1116 00:54:55,290 --> 00:54:53,260 was all this sort of strange alien 1117 00:54:58,080 --> 00:54:55,300 writing on the walls and messages about 1118 00:55:00,870 --> 00:54:58,090 aliens and but that was the end of them 1119 00:55:02,820 --> 00:55:00,880 they were never seen again and I include 1120 00:55:04,980 --> 00:55:02,830 that in the book because you know if you 1121 00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:04,990 if you believe they were abducted on 1122 00:55:09,990 --> 00:55:07,810 this flight you know this is arguably 1123 00:55:12,570 --> 00:55:10,000 one of an early alien abduction but very 1124 00:55:14,250 --> 00:55:12,580 different to abductions of today where 1125 00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:14,260 people were taken from the beds and so 1126 00:55:20,850 --> 00:55:18,130 on the hundreth Wilkinson pretty much is 1127 00:55:22,970 --> 00:55:20,860 revolved around you know that the the 1128 00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:22,980 abducting of an aircraft so to speak 1129 00:55:28,980 --> 00:55:26,050 mmm-hmm very very strange story I 1130 00:55:31,740 --> 00:55:28,990 remember Jim Mosely used to a dwell on 1131 00:55:34,710 --> 00:55:31,750 it when I was working for him he go into 1132 00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:34,720 detail I guess he had some 1133 00:55:40,590 --> 00:55:37,050 correspondence with them in the old days 1134 00:55:43,950 --> 00:55:40,600 as well they yeah yeah they were they 1135 00:55:49,140 --> 00:55:43,960 were part of the I guess the outer 1136 00:55:50,820 --> 00:55:49,150 fringes of the Adamski Skywatch group I 1137 00:55:54,420 --> 00:55:50,830 mean Adamski even those that didn't 1138 00:55:57,690 --> 00:55:54,430 necessarily accepted his story they he 1139 00:55:59,430 --> 00:55:57,700 so had a group closing that group of 1140 00:56:03,750 --> 00:55:59,440 people who went out for sky watches and 1141 00:56:06,720 --> 00:56:03,760 got involved in the UFO hysteria at the 1142 00:56:09,420 --> 00:56:06,730 moment Tim why don't we bring in I guess 1143 00:56:12,990 --> 00:56:09,430 at this point our other guest of the 1144 00:56:17,670 --> 00:56:13,000 evening mr. Hercules greeting him 1145 00:56:22,020 --> 00:56:17,680 welcome how are you yeah right from top 1146 00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:22,030 of Mount Olympus a heck yes and visiting 1147 00:56:27,720 --> 00:56:23,890 folks that I greatly respect and admire 1148 00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:27,730 I'm honored to be here well thank you 1149 00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:29,410 thank you sir that'll get your other 1150 00:56:40,890 --> 00:56:38,410 program three more times you you have 1151 00:56:44,580 --> 00:56:40,900 been a busy man contributing it to our 1152 00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:44,590 books up in fact there's a book that 1153 00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:47,650 just came out today which you don't even 1154 00:56:52,530 --> 00:56:50,770 have a copy of and I only got because I 1155 00:56:55,470 --> 00:56:52,540 called and complained to the higher 1156 00:56:58,980 --> 00:56:55,480 authorities at Amazon because the post 1157 00:57:01,650 --> 00:56:58,990 office said that I didn't exist that the 1158 00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:01,660 the building is important today and yeah 1159 00:57:07,980 --> 00:57:06,610 yeah that's a time to me too yeah I 1160 00:57:09,750 --> 00:57:07,990 don't know what that what the problem 1161 00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:09,760 with the post office is but they they 1162 00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:11,770 seem to have a out of all the different 1163 00:57:16,530 --> 00:57:13,810 delivery services as far as I'm 1164 00:57:18,359 --> 00:57:16,540 concerned they have the worst record and 1165 00:57:20,220 --> 00:57:18,369 I actually had a a dispute with the lady 1166 00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:20,230 on the phone from the post office her 1167 00:57:25,109 --> 00:57:22,210 insisting that there was no apartment 1168 00:57:26,970 --> 00:57:25,119 you know for in this building well how 1169 00:57:32,570 --> 00:57:26,980 would she know she's never spent the 1170 00:57:36,750 --> 00:57:32,580 night here I mean anyway so this book is 1171 00:57:40,710 --> 00:57:36,760 one that Tim put together for us it's a 1172 00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:40,720 Jeff the talking Mongoose the 8th wonder 1173 00:57:48,060 --> 00:57:43,570 of the world month myself being the 1174 00:57:51,750 --> 00:57:48,070 seventh wonder in the world and it's 1175 00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:51,760 quite it's quite a story I know we want 1176 00:57:57,540 --> 00:57:53,770 to devote an entire program of somewhere 1177 00:58:02,280 --> 00:57:57,550 along the line to the to this tale which 1178 00:58:05,849 --> 00:58:02,290 I I considered to be one of the top 14 a 1179 00:58:08,190 --> 00:58:05,859 paranormal events all-time I would rate 1180 00:58:12,630 --> 00:58:08,200 it right up there you know next to some 1181 00:58:15,150 --> 00:58:12,640 of these mysterious disappearances but 1182 00:58:17,190 --> 00:58:15,160 you had a different kind of a Hercules a 1183 00:58:21,210 --> 00:58:17,200 little different approach in the book 1184 00:58:24,570 --> 00:58:21,220 what was your submission well when we 1185 00:58:26,609 --> 00:58:24,580 were down in Pennsylvania my wife and I 1186 00:58:27,810 --> 00:58:26,619 had decided to do some paranormal 1187 00:58:30,210 --> 00:58:27,820 investigating because that's something 1188 00:58:31,349 --> 00:58:30,220 we occasionally did and you know trying 1189 00:58:33,540 --> 00:58:31,359 to get to know the community and find 1190 00:58:37,109 --> 00:58:33,550 our place in it so we started 1191 00:58:41,370 --> 00:58:37,119 investigating old legends and we came 1192 00:58:44,550 --> 00:58:41,380 across a husband of the swamp and long 1193 00:58:47,310 --> 00:58:44,560 cousin mr. Walker Reacher yes it's an 1194 00:58:50,099 --> 00:58:47,320 old logging legend and the squonk was a 1195 00:58:51,930 --> 00:58:50,109 mysterious creature that it was 1196 00:58:55,590 --> 00:58:51,940 difficult to catch a sight of and it was 1197 00:58:58,349 --> 00:58:55,600 known by its sobbing so the the swamp 1198 00:59:02,450 --> 00:58:58,359 was a very depressed creature and very 1199 00:59:04,950 --> 00:59:02,460 free in expressing its depression and a 1200 00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:04,960 person renting a went wing I don't 1201 00:59:10,530 --> 00:59:06,970 remember the exact name he supposedly 1202 00:59:12,900 --> 00:59:10,540 captured one and when he opened the bag 1203 00:59:16,590 --> 00:59:12,910 later on there was nothing but 1204 00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:16,600 moisture inside the bag and the squonk 1205 00:59:22,500 --> 00:59:19,330 inspired several songs later in the 1206 00:59:25,260 --> 00:59:22,510 modern era but less is anyone spotted 1207 00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:25,270 that off and then in Pennsylvania I can 1208 00:59:31,260 --> 00:59:28,290 google it see if we can find something 1209 00:59:33,810 --> 00:59:31,270 we'll all get together in and and and 1210 00:59:36,810 --> 00:59:33,820 sing it now you know like well do just 1211 00:59:38,670 --> 00:59:36,820 an honor of Nick what will will another 1212 00:59:40,650 --> 00:59:38,680 of Nikhil do the funk rock where you 1213 00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:40,660 know that'd be awesome and they were 1214 00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:42,610 just summon some swamps from wherever 1215 00:59:50,090 --> 00:59:48,490 they are well you know it it's it kind 1216 00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:50,100 of reminds me and I was telling Tim 1217 00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:53,290 schwarzer earlier today he's going to be 1218 00:59:59,310 --> 00:59:56,770 on the coast to coast I think coming up 1219 01:00:03,020 --> 00:59:59,320 in a few days that there is similarities 1220 01:00:06,450 --> 01:00:03,030 between that between this a case and and 1221 01:00:08,310 --> 01:00:06,460 the skinwalker ranch because there Tim 1222 01:00:12,780 --> 01:00:08,320 you start out the book here by telling 1223 01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:12,790 the story about the gentleman who first 1224 01:00:19,980 --> 01:00:17,250 saw Jeff the talking among mongoose and 1225 01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:19,990 it appeared to the daughter the daughter 1226 01:00:37,250 --> 01:00:31,810 is a giant cat one of the the Jim Irving 1227 01:00:39,900 --> 01:00:37,260 and his daughter of Horry one day saw a 1228 01:00:42,380 --> 01:00:39,910 cat in there 1229 01:00:44,670 --> 01:00:42,390 in their yard and they didn't have any 1230 01:00:47,820 --> 01:00:44,680 they didn't know when he owned any cats 1231 01:00:53,310 --> 01:00:47,830 and there wasn't any barnyard cats that 1232 01:00:57,510 --> 01:00:53,320 lived there so Jim was afraid you know 1233 01:00:59,910 --> 01:00:57,520 naturally for his chickens so he he got 1234 01:01:01,920 --> 01:00:59,920 his shotgun and he was he said later 1235 01:01:03,780 --> 01:01:01,930 that he wasn't intending to to kill it 1236 01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:03,790 you just gotta go and you know scare it 1237 01:01:09,540 --> 01:01:06,010 off because he liked cats but as he 1238 01:01:13,220 --> 01:01:09,550 followed it it it vanished in front of 1239 01:01:15,810 --> 01:01:13,230 his eyes and and then later 1240 01:01:19,350 --> 01:01:15,820 yeah well that's certainly reminiscent 1241 01:01:21,510 --> 01:01:19,360 of a skinwalker ranch I mean how do we 1242 01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:21,520 know that all these things that Jeff is 1243 01:01:26,609 --> 01:01:24,250 supposed to do like aren't you know 1244 01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:26,619 shape hello we know that the mongoose 1245 01:01:31,489 --> 01:01:29,170 isn't a little the shapeshifter well 1246 01:01:35,309 --> 01:01:31,499 after afterwards you later in the house 1247 01:01:38,940 --> 01:01:35,319 Jeff's voice told him that you know it 1248 01:01:41,670 --> 01:01:38,950 said that that was me you saw Jim so you 1249 01:01:44,180 --> 01:01:41,680 know Jeff Jeff didn't claim you know at 1250 01:01:48,210 --> 01:01:44,190 various times that you know he could the 1251 01:01:50,819 --> 01:01:48,220 could not only become invisible but he 1252 01:01:53,190 --> 01:01:50,829 could you know change shape as well and 1253 01:01:57,329 --> 01:01:53,200 there was also story in the book where a 1254 01:01:59,460 --> 01:01:57,339 couple of young men came to visit the 1255 01:02:02,519 --> 01:01:59,470 house and when they were sitting in the 1256 01:02:05,940 --> 01:02:02,529 the living room one of them started 1257 01:02:08,130 --> 01:02:05,950 petting a cat that was on his lap except 1258 01:02:13,980 --> 01:02:08,140 only he could see the cat nobody else 1259 01:02:16,140 --> 01:02:13,990 could see there's a lot of paranormal 1260 01:02:17,370 --> 01:02:16,150 creatures like that one of the things to 1261 01:02:19,289 --> 01:02:17,380 investigate in Pennsylvania I've been 1262 01:02:22,650 --> 01:02:19,299 written about it or published anything 1263 01:02:24,870 --> 01:02:22,660 on it yet but it was a creature that 1264 01:02:28,470 --> 01:02:24,880 looked like a badger er and a serpent 1265 01:02:30,809 --> 01:02:28,480 had made it and it would slither in the 1266 01:02:34,739 --> 01:02:30,819 head glowing red eyes and would spread 1267 01:02:37,670 --> 01:02:34,749 fear and it like chasing bicycles and it 1268 01:02:40,739 --> 01:02:37,680 sounded very a very unlikely thing to be 1269 01:02:43,890 --> 01:02:40,749 to be going on but we found the more 1270 01:02:46,380 --> 01:02:43,900 people we interviewed about it the more 1271 01:02:47,779 --> 01:02:46,390 people were reporting experiences and 1272 01:02:49,529 --> 01:02:47,789 that the experiences were 1273 01:02:51,660 --> 01:02:49,539 intergenerational everybody too 1274 01:02:53,910 --> 01:02:51,670 embarrassed to talk about what they'd 1275 01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:53,920 experienced so there there's more under 1276 01:02:57,299 --> 01:02:55,690 heaven on earth that are that are 1277 01:03:00,180 --> 01:02:57,309 dreamed of in our philosophies as 1278 01:03:02,819 --> 01:03:00,190 Shakespeare said well now you are your 1279 01:03:03,690 --> 01:03:02,829 background yeah you were born in the 1280 01:03:11,009 --> 01:03:03,700 Greece 1281 01:03:13,499 --> 01:03:11,019 born here and my early years were spent 1282 01:03:17,460 --> 01:03:13,509 like here most of the year and then the 1283 01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:17,470 summer is in Greece but I went to Greek 1284 01:03:21,870 --> 01:03:19,690 parochial school and received a very 1285 01:03:24,900 --> 01:03:21,880 thorough education in our antiquities 1286 01:03:29,809 --> 01:03:24,910 and I was resonated with the lympus my 1287 01:03:33,450 --> 01:03:29,819 family yeah you are you are the most 1288 01:03:38,099 --> 01:03:33,460 fabulous that a researcher when it comes 1289 01:03:41,010 --> 01:03:38,109 to the story of the Greek gods and the 1290 01:03:43,290 --> 01:03:41,020 life on the Mount Olympus I I 1291 01:03:46,830 --> 01:03:43,300 I've never heard that anybody tell the 1292 01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:46,840 details so I mean I've heard him before 1293 01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:48,370 growing up in the course of school and 1294 01:03:53,850 --> 01:03:51,850 all and they kind of bored me but but 1295 01:03:55,650 --> 01:03:53,860 you've kind of like it made them more 1296 01:03:57,870 --> 01:03:55,660 like exciting again I know in in 1297 01:03:59,430 --> 01:03:57,880 previous conversations and then some of 1298 01:03:59,670 --> 01:03:59,440 the literature that you've written for 1299 01:04:02,340 --> 01:03:59,680 us 1300 01:04:05,310 --> 01:04:02,350 you've even talked about how the gods of 1301 01:04:08,100 --> 01:04:05,320 Olympus have come down and in modern 1302 01:04:11,130 --> 01:04:08,110 times at well we did this book screwed 1303 01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:11,140 by the aliens which is named Jo rather 1304 01:04:16,670 --> 01:04:14,170 yeah yeah rather popular and you told 1305 01:04:20,100 --> 01:04:16,680 the tales in there I believe about how 1306 01:04:23,370 --> 01:04:20,110 these gods from Olympus were coming down 1307 01:04:25,140 --> 01:04:23,380 even to this day and and mating with the 1308 01:04:27,540 --> 01:04:25,150 the people that were living on the Greek 1309 01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:27,550 islands there now this is kind of very 1310 01:04:32,430 --> 01:04:30,490 similar to the UFO abduction the 1311 01:04:35,510 --> 01:04:32,440 addresses that are reported where it 1312 01:04:38,580 --> 01:04:35,520 were you see a parallel in that oh 1313 01:04:42,780 --> 01:04:38,590 there's this great parallel in it in the 1314 01:04:45,060 --> 01:04:42,790 Greek tales it's there aren't any 1315 01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:45,070 laboratories with genetic experiments 1316 01:04:51,420 --> 01:04:48,730 it's done through selective breeding so 1317 01:04:53,100 --> 01:04:51,430 just like other gods else I take it that 1318 01:04:56,250 --> 01:04:53,110 or keep laying it that way made off 1319 01:05:00,060 --> 01:04:56,260 better yet yeah I I find it much more 1320 01:05:02,670 --> 01:05:00,070 human hints well being it's one little 1321 01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:02,680 lab is kind of dehumanizing but the fact 1322 01:05:08,190 --> 01:05:05,410 I got a boss and find us attractive and 1323 01:05:11,100 --> 01:05:08,200 want to mix their occur with our blood 1324 01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:11,110 and produce certain individuals I find 1325 01:05:16,860 --> 01:05:13,050 that very comforting 1326 01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:16,870 well the Bible talks about that Tim I 1327 01:05:22,020 --> 01:05:19,570 know you brought that up in some of your 1328 01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:22,030 your books to it in Genesis they talked 1329 01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:25,090 about how the the daughters of mankind 1330 01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:26,770 were fair and they came down and mated 1331 01:05:34,620 --> 01:05:29,650 with him oh yeah yeah well and that 1332 01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:34,630 Reverend Downey talks about that as well 1333 01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:38,290 in both his books yeah your UFO 1334 01:05:43,110 --> 01:05:39,970 revelations you have certainly you know 1335 01:05:45,510 --> 01:05:43,120 yeah so now so you you're convinced 1336 01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:45,520 Hercules then that these gods of Olympus 1337 01:05:52,830 --> 01:05:48,930 are real they're not they're not fictive 1338 01:05:54,049 --> 01:05:52,840 fictitious that Zeus and and all of 1339 01:05:57,609 --> 01:05:54,059 these of the 1340 01:06:01,489 --> 01:05:57,619 gods actually existed or do exist today 1341 01:06:05,509 --> 01:06:01,499 III personally believe that and I've 1342 01:06:07,489 --> 01:06:05,519 researched extensively and aside for my 1343 01:06:10,159 --> 01:06:07,499 personal experiences which of course you 1344 01:06:11,959 --> 01:06:10,169 know anybody can you know say that you 1345 01:06:13,519 --> 01:06:11,969 know one's personal experiences aren't 1346 01:06:16,189 --> 01:06:13,529 valid although that's how we know the 1347 01:06:19,609 --> 01:06:16,199 world for personal experiences I've met 1348 01:06:24,589 --> 01:06:19,619 countless individuals who are in contact 1349 01:06:28,069 --> 01:06:24,599 with the Olympians and I have gotten 1350 01:06:29,569 --> 01:06:28,079 messages the same message from different 1351 01:06:32,839 --> 01:06:29,579 individuals who are connected to each 1352 01:06:35,359 --> 01:06:32,849 other from the Olympians so when you 1353 01:06:36,799 --> 01:06:35,369 start getting a message echoed like a 1354 01:06:38,899 --> 01:06:36,809 message will come to you in a dream or 1355 01:06:40,879 --> 01:06:38,909 meditation and of course again I'd like 1356 01:06:44,089 --> 01:06:40,889 to look inside first to see if it's a 1357 01:06:45,979 --> 01:06:44,099 product of my psychology and then all of 1358 01:06:47,719 --> 01:06:45,989 a sudden you get people calling you up 1359 01:06:49,789 --> 01:06:47,729 and saying that they had a dream or that 1360 01:06:51,619 --> 01:06:49,799 a medication or they heard Zeus say 1361 01:06:55,819 --> 01:06:51,629 something and you're hearing the same 1362 01:06:57,709 --> 01:06:55,829 thing from everybody and then the theme 1363 01:06:59,239 --> 01:06:57,719 of the message starts echoing 1364 01:07:02,239 --> 01:06:59,249 synchronistically and you're in your 1365 01:07:05,199 --> 01:07:02,249 world then to me that lends credence to 1366 01:07:08,479 --> 01:07:05,209 the fact that whatever the Olympians are 1367 01:07:11,839 --> 01:07:08,489 ultimately they are intelligences who 1368 01:07:15,019 --> 01:07:11,849 are active in our world now what are 1369 01:07:19,089 --> 01:07:15,029 some of the what are the messages well 1370 01:07:21,829 --> 01:07:19,099 you want me to tell your story industry 1371 01:07:25,879 --> 01:07:21,839 that's what okay that's what we're here 1372 01:07:27,939 --> 01:07:25,889 no I'll give you an example that started 1373 01:07:31,189 --> 01:07:27,949 around the same time that I started 1374 01:07:36,949 --> 01:07:31,199 submitting their stories to you at that 1375 01:07:38,989 --> 01:07:36,959 point in my journey I was still really 1376 01:07:40,519 --> 01:07:38,999 very happily toward the most of its 1377 01:07:42,499 --> 01:07:40,529 psychological theory you know I 1378 01:07:46,399 --> 01:07:42,509 understood about archetypes I understood 1379 01:07:48,409 --> 01:07:46,409 about a lot of different ways of looking 1380 01:07:51,259 --> 01:07:48,419 at that including a genetic 1381 01:07:53,029 --> 01:07:51,269 predisposition and so forth but during a 1382 01:07:58,099 --> 01:07:53,039 meditation one day I had a vision of 1383 01:07:59,959 --> 01:07:58,109 Zeus and it was the Zeus of Olympia one 1384 01:08:05,869 --> 01:07:59,969 of the wonders of the world as you said 1385 01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:05,879 before and I got a feeling from this 1386 01:08:09,910 --> 01:08:07,970 vision that 1387 01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:09,920 here basically I'm looking at the whole 1388 01:08:16,030 --> 01:08:12,410 fatherhood thing wrong and that I still 1389 01:08:17,710 --> 01:08:16,040 had father issues and that I would make 1390 01:08:19,809 --> 01:08:17,720 stuck at a certain point until I 1391 01:08:23,470 --> 01:08:19,819 resolved those father issues now I'm a 1392 01:08:25,360 --> 01:08:23,480 father myself yeah so I looked back at 1393 01:08:27,039 --> 01:08:25,370 that and okay maybe this is some part of 1394 01:08:29,860 --> 01:08:27,049 my psychology telling me I need to look 1395 01:08:31,570 --> 01:08:29,870 at this and I will look at it but then 1396 01:08:34,270 --> 01:08:31,580 when communicating with one of the 1397 01:08:37,990 --> 01:08:34,280 celestial groups that I wrote about in 1398 01:08:39,789 --> 01:08:38,000 my most recent submission the person I 1399 01:08:42,370 --> 01:08:39,799 was communicating with and this is the 1400 01:08:47,740 --> 01:08:42,380 sixth revelation it's an offshoot of the 1401 01:08:49,690 --> 01:08:47,750 rentier book Michael started telling him 1402 01:08:53,230 --> 01:08:49,700 Michael bunkin that he was having these 1403 01:08:55,270 --> 01:08:53,240 communications with Zeus so I told him 1404 01:08:57,910 --> 01:08:55,280 great you know what is just telling you 1405 01:09:00,309 --> 01:08:57,920 and it was kind of partially flippantly 1406 01:09:03,130 --> 01:09:00,319 you know at that point and he gave me 1407 01:09:07,870 --> 01:09:03,140 the same message that I had inside of my 1408 01:09:10,510 --> 01:09:07,880 own vision so that was unusual but again 1409 01:09:13,380 --> 01:09:10,520 okay so I started thinking about my 1410 01:09:15,670 --> 01:09:13,390 vision even more and then the theme of 1411 01:09:17,170 --> 01:09:15,680 fatherhood and the types of fatherhood 1412 01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:17,180 issues that came up in the vision 1413 01:09:22,450 --> 01:09:19,850 started echoing synchronistically for 1414 01:09:24,430 --> 01:09:22,460 weeks whereas this type of topic has 1415 01:09:27,309 --> 01:09:24,440 never come up before you know or rarely 1416 01:09:29,320 --> 01:09:27,319 come up before I was coming up a lot so 1417 01:09:31,420 --> 01:09:29,330 I had to pay attention to this because 1418 01:09:34,630 --> 01:09:31,430 it was no I could no longer excuse it as 1419 01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:34,640 being something inside my head so I 1420 01:09:38,559 --> 01:09:37,010 learned through my subsequent journey as 1421 01:09:41,710 --> 01:09:38,569 I got in contact with more and more 1422 01:09:42,789 --> 01:09:41,720 people that some people give consistent 1423 01:09:44,829 --> 01:09:42,799 messages even though they're not 1424 01:09:49,300 --> 01:09:44,839 connected to each other like Oracle's as 1425 01:09:50,770 --> 01:09:49,310 we know Circe who were alive had been on 1426 01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:50,780 the show and you introduced me to in 1427 01:09:57,310 --> 01:09:54,610 fact she gets really good messages and 1428 01:09:59,860 --> 01:09:57,320 that's pretty much the story in a 1429 01:10:02,260 --> 01:09:59,870 nutshell and this led me to look at the 1430 01:10:04,410 --> 01:10:02,270 phenomenon as something less 1431 01:10:08,590 --> 01:10:04,420 psychological and something more 1432 01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:08,600 external and to have me looking at ways 1433 01:10:14,050 --> 01:10:11,930 in which we might be connected in in 1434 01:10:15,730 --> 01:10:14,060 ways beyond our current understandings 1435 01:10:17,260 --> 01:10:15,740 so that's where I currently am with all 1436 01:10:19,690 --> 01:10:17,270 of this but I'm getting consistent 1437 01:10:21,340 --> 01:10:19,700 messages from all over the place from 1438 01:10:27,550 --> 01:10:21,350 people so that's exciting 1439 01:10:30,790 --> 01:10:27,560 new and what what form do they take I 1440 01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:30,800 mean are these God's in in in physical 1441 01:10:40,690 --> 01:10:33,890 form or they do they inhabit another 1442 01:10:43,570 --> 01:10:40,700 dimension I believe that as I've written 1443 01:10:48,070 --> 01:10:43,580 in some of my submissions I believe that 1444 01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:48,080 they exist someplace else and they can 1445 01:10:54,610 --> 01:10:52,250 become physical if they choose to so 1446 01:10:56,680 --> 01:10:54,620 they can come into somebody's walk in 1447 01:10:59,260 --> 01:10:56,690 for instance or they can make a physical 1448 01:11:03,490 --> 01:10:59,270 body manifest that it will be there one 1449 01:11:06,340 --> 01:11:03,500 second and then it'll fade that doesn't 1450 01:11:08,110 --> 01:11:06,350 happen often but it has happened or 1451 01:11:09,940 --> 01:11:08,120 they'll communicate for somebody who's 1452 01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:09,950 attune to them and as you know there are 1453 01:11:14,830 --> 01:11:11,770 many people follow the old ways 1454 01:11:16,690 --> 01:11:14,840 sometimes I'm gonna have to interrupt 1455 01:11:18,580 --> 01:11:16,700 you here because we have to manifest to 1456 01:11:20,410 --> 01:11:18,590 our bottom of the hour break so when we 1457 01:11:24,430 --> 01:11:20,420 come back for more with Hercules on 1458 01:11:35,470 --> 01:11:24,440 exploring the bizarre Edgar the DA the 1459 01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:39,620 now back to exploring the bazaar with 1460 01:11:45,200 --> 01:11:42,210 two of the most electrifying researchers 1461 01:11:53,209 --> 01:11:45,210 in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy 1462 01:11:55,250 --> 01:11:53,219 beckylyn Anton Swartz welcome back to 1463 01:11:58,189 --> 01:11:55,260 exploring the bazaar tonight we are 1464 01:12:02,450 --> 01:11:58,199 talking with Nick Redfern and Hercules 1465 01:12:05,750 --> 01:12:02,460 Invictus and Hercules we were talking 1466 01:12:09,379 --> 01:12:05,760 with Nick earlier about his book top 1467 01:12:13,100 --> 01:12:09,389 secret alien abduction files and I was 1468 01:12:17,870 --> 01:12:13,110 just curious I mean do you see any kind 1469 01:12:22,490 --> 01:12:17,880 of connections between these these old 1470 01:12:26,510 --> 01:12:22,500 stories of the old gods and in Greece 1471 01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:26,520 and other places oftentimes you know 1472 01:12:30,229 --> 01:12:28,290 swooping down from the heavens and you 1473 01:12:32,979 --> 01:12:30,239 know taking people up with him with them 1474 01:12:36,200 --> 01:12:32,989 or you know doing you know other 1475 01:12:41,169 --> 01:12:36,210 sometimes nefarious things and the more 1476 01:12:44,090 --> 01:12:41,179 modern stories of UFO occupants and 1477 01:12:46,850 --> 01:12:44,100 abductions and and and things like that 1478 01:12:50,540 --> 01:12:46,860 you know I mean it seems that there are 1479 01:12:53,439 --> 01:12:50,550 a lot of similarities you know the the 1480 01:12:58,220 --> 01:12:53,449 names may have changed over the years 1481 01:13:01,790 --> 01:12:58,230 but the methods kind of remain the same 1482 01:13:04,879 --> 01:13:01,800 I would agree with that 1483 01:13:08,450 --> 01:13:04,889 and in Greek mythology which is where we 1484 01:13:10,370 --> 01:13:08,460 get a lot of our war about the ultra 1485 01:13:12,470 --> 01:13:10,380 terrestrial or extraterrestrial or 1486 01:13:15,580 --> 01:13:12,480 altered dimensional beings that are 1487 01:13:17,990 --> 01:13:15,590 known as Olympians their shape changes 1488 01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:18,000 they can appear as anything they'd like 1489 01:13:23,709 --> 01:13:20,610 to appear as including animals you know 1490 01:13:28,340 --> 01:13:23,719 in the myths they take many animal forms 1491 01:13:30,950 --> 01:13:28,350 and in their true form they're beings of 1492 01:13:34,610 --> 01:13:30,960 light and that's preserved in the myth 1493 01:13:40,129 --> 01:13:34,620 of Dionysus Hera who was jealous of 1494 01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:40,139 Zeus's Liaisons convinced his Dionysus 1495 01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:42,130 his mother that she should request 1496 01:13:48,780 --> 01:13:44,770 Zuse the boon of seeing him in this true 1497 01:13:51,900 --> 01:13:48,790 form and he tried to dissuade her but 1498 01:13:54,510 --> 01:13:51,910 she wouldn't have anything of it and he 1499 01:13:56,940 --> 01:13:54,520 revealed himself as a being of light and 1500 01:13:59,730 --> 01:13:56,950 his intensity was so great that it 1501 01:14:01,860 --> 01:13:59,740 destroyed her so just like he raised the 1502 01:14:04,830 --> 01:14:01,870 Tina from inside his own body he had to 1503 01:14:08,700 --> 01:14:04,840 raise Dionysus from inside his own body 1504 01:14:10,590 --> 01:14:08,710 as well and the gods or the other world 1505 01:14:13,530 --> 01:14:10,600 beings regardless of how they're 1506 01:14:16,460 --> 01:14:13,540 portrayed or understood by humans have 1507 01:14:19,200 --> 01:14:16,470 always been interested in our 1508 01:14:23,390 --> 01:14:19,210 reproductive systems oh yeah a lot of 1509 01:14:27,090 --> 01:14:23,400 the stories are very sexual in nature 1510 01:14:31,320 --> 01:14:27,100 well and you see that also as you know 1511 01:14:33,410 --> 01:14:31,330 as we've covered extensively in in our 1512 01:14:37,890 --> 01:14:33,420 book you know screwed by the aliens 1513 01:14:39,930 --> 01:14:37,900 excuse me you know how the UFO phenomena 1514 01:14:44,090 --> 01:14:39,940 and the you know the occupants that 1515 01:14:47,250 --> 01:14:44,100 seemed to be you know at least 1516 01:14:52,290 --> 01:14:47,260 associated with it almost from the very 1517 01:14:57,570 --> 01:14:52,300 beginning has had an almost voyeuristic 1518 01:14:59,790 --> 01:14:57,580 interest in human sexuality there there 1519 01:15:01,980 --> 01:14:59,800 was a book called the hair of the alien 1520 01:15:04,500 --> 01:15:01,990 it's somewhere in my library but I don't 1521 01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:04,510 know where it is right now so that 1522 01:15:10,500 --> 01:15:07,690 discusses this phenomenon where alien 1523 01:15:12,770 --> 01:15:10,510 beings who are humanoid you know there 1524 01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:12,780 were Nordic I guess you call them now 1525 01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:16,210 had left had actual pubic hairs after 1526 01:15:26,940 --> 01:15:22,210 having you know like this other state of 1527 01:15:29,310 --> 01:15:26,950 mind intercourse with somebody and the 1528 01:15:32,310 --> 01:15:29,320 the gods have always left evidence of 1529 01:15:35,460 --> 01:15:32,320 their passing aside from you know 1530 01:15:36,990 --> 01:15:35,470 leaving physical children behind I don't 1531 01:15:40,200 --> 01:15:37,000 know how they would translate in terms 1532 01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:40,210 of studying DNA I don't know very much 1533 01:15:44,580 --> 01:15:42,730 about DNA or how that works but it that 1534 01:15:49,740 --> 01:15:44,590 might be an interesting thing to start 1535 01:15:53,250 --> 01:15:49,750 looking at well the the the DNA study 1536 01:15:55,050 --> 01:15:53,260 that was conducted on that that hair 1537 01:15:55,620 --> 01:15:55,060 that was left behind you know in that 1538 01:15:59,330 --> 01:15:55,630 case 1539 01:16:03,000 --> 01:15:59,340 from Haren the aliens 1540 01:16:06,379 --> 01:16:03,010 revealed some some very interesting 1541 01:16:10,490 --> 01:16:06,389 things you know one of them was that 1542 01:16:15,060 --> 01:16:10,500 even though the hair was almost 1543 01:16:19,649 --> 01:16:15,070 completely devoid of color it came from 1544 01:16:20,459 --> 01:16:19,659 somebody from a very unique yes I 1545 01:16:23,310 --> 01:16:20,469 remember 1546 01:16:26,790 --> 01:16:23,320 yeah that's located like in only one 1547 01:16:29,100 --> 01:16:26,800 place in you know like South China you 1548 01:16:31,140 --> 01:16:29,110 know a very you know very remote 1549 01:16:34,470 --> 01:16:31,150 location with just a very small 1550 01:16:38,660 --> 01:16:34,480 population but there also was there 1551 01:16:44,970 --> 01:16:38,670 seemed to have been some kind of like 1552 01:16:48,300 --> 01:16:44,980 Scandinavian connection in that as well 1553 01:16:57,530 --> 01:16:48,310 the other interesting thing was that the 1554 01:17:04,020 --> 01:16:57,540 DNA contained an immunity to various 1555 01:17:07,310 --> 01:17:04,030 human diseases including HIV and a few 1556 01:17:10,649 --> 01:17:07,320 other especially you know sexually 1557 01:17:13,169 --> 01:17:10,659 transmitted diseases which you know to 1558 01:17:15,270 --> 01:17:13,179 me is very interesting because you know 1559 01:17:16,860 --> 01:17:15,280 it's like well if we're going to play 1560 01:17:19,399 --> 01:17:16,870 around with the humans we've got to make 1561 01:17:21,959 --> 01:17:19,409 sure that we don't catch their diseases 1562 01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:21,969 yes thank you I remember as you started 1563 01:17:25,110 --> 01:17:23,650 speaking I started remembering that 1564 01:17:26,310 --> 01:17:25,120 parts of the books and awhile since I 1565 01:17:29,430 --> 01:17:26,320 read it but yes you're absolutely 1566 01:17:33,540 --> 01:17:29,440 correct they the the genetic materials 1567 01:17:36,169 --> 01:17:33,550 from really remote places on earth and 1568 01:17:39,240 --> 01:17:36,179 you know really like isolated 1569 01:17:40,979 --> 01:17:39,250 populations that weren't very common and 1570 01:17:43,979 --> 01:17:40,989 that you're right there was a lot of 1571 01:17:46,709 --> 01:17:43,989 immune immunity to diseases that are 1572 01:17:49,620 --> 01:17:46,719 plaguing humanity so that was very 1573 01:17:53,939 --> 01:17:49,630 interesting which which makes me wonder 1574 01:17:57,000 --> 01:17:53,949 then you know you talk about the the 1575 01:18:04,740 --> 01:17:57,010 close association with the ancient gods 1576 01:18:07,580 --> 01:18:04,750 and and humans is there a are we related 1577 01:18:09,350 --> 01:18:07,590 to them somehow are they related to us 1578 01:18:12,830 --> 01:18:09,360 I mean I know that you said that you 1579 01:18:14,419 --> 01:18:12,840 know they're their true form is is you 1580 01:18:17,029 --> 01:18:14,429 know their beams of light you know their 1581 01:18:19,669 --> 01:18:17,039 their their their energy you know 1582 01:18:21,740 --> 01:18:19,679 ultimately you know if you break us all 1583 01:18:24,049 --> 01:18:21,750 down to our component parts you know 1584 01:18:27,500 --> 01:18:24,059 everybody is everything is exactly 1585 01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:27,510 exactly you know but I mean you know are 1586 01:18:35,270 --> 01:18:33,650 we the offspring so to speak of these 1587 01:18:38,569 --> 01:18:35,280 these deities 1588 01:18:40,700 --> 01:18:38,579 I personally believe and again my 1589 01:18:43,370 --> 01:18:40,710 beliefs may change as I study more and 1590 01:18:45,620 --> 01:18:43,380 experience more but I personally believe 1591 01:18:49,180 --> 01:18:45,630 that this particular point in time that 1592 01:18:52,339 --> 01:18:49,190 we are the dreams of the gods 1593 01:18:55,129 --> 01:18:52,349 so okay a library we have talent just 1594 01:18:57,080 --> 01:18:55,139 like with characters and dreams and the 1595 01:18:59,779 --> 01:18:57,090 dreams or aspects of ourselves you know 1596 01:19:01,459 --> 01:18:59,789 like everyone has dreams and in your 1597 01:19:03,290 --> 01:19:01,469 dreams you have like a holodeck you're 1598 01:19:05,140 --> 01:19:03,300 creating three-dimensional you know 1599 01:19:08,839 --> 01:19:05,150 fully immersive experiences 1600 01:19:11,770 --> 01:19:08,849 automatically I believe that whatever 1601 01:19:15,140 --> 01:19:11,780 we're calling waking reality is 1602 01:19:17,959 --> 01:19:15,150 something similar and I've spent a 1603 01:19:20,270 --> 01:19:17,969 lifetime not only studying you know the 1604 01:19:22,160 --> 01:19:20,280 Olympians but also studying like 1605 01:19:24,379 --> 01:19:22,170 different states of mind like I do dream 1606 01:19:26,270 --> 01:19:24,389 work I Medicaid I don't take any 1607 01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:26,280 substances to do this I don't feel we 1608 01:19:30,799 --> 01:19:28,650 need them but you know with my own brain 1609 01:19:33,379 --> 01:19:30,809 so I've been playing with my brain since 1610 01:19:35,060 --> 01:19:33,389 I was a kid and I know that like their 1611 01:19:37,430 --> 01:19:35,070 states like the hypnagogic and 1612 01:19:42,819 --> 01:19:37,440 hypnopompic that make our waking reality 1613 01:19:45,950 --> 01:19:42,829 looks fuzzy so I believe that on other 1614 01:19:49,910 --> 01:19:45,960 another rates of vibration or in other 1615 01:19:51,500 --> 01:19:49,920 dimensions we're beings of light but 1616 01:19:54,709 --> 01:19:51,510 here and what we're calling waking 1617 01:19:57,350 --> 01:19:54,719 reality were part of some automatically 1618 01:20:00,080 --> 01:19:57,360 generated experience the world apart 1619 01:20:04,580 --> 01:20:00,090 it's just like in the the first book I 1620 01:20:09,379 --> 01:20:04,590 submitted to with philip k dick and the 1621 01:20:11,180 --> 01:20:09,389 matrix - names getters ideas well I 1622 01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:11,190 haven't beginning from believe more and 1623 01:20:20,129 --> 01:20:13,770 more that we are somebody's a 1624 01:20:24,060 --> 01:20:20,139 computer-generated life-form 1625 01:20:28,410 --> 01:20:24,070 yeah it was a great deal of validity to 1626 01:20:31,229 --> 01:20:28,420 that yeah that's where I am with it and 1627 01:20:32,850 --> 01:20:31,239 so far since I and you don't bring me to 1628 01:20:34,590 --> 01:20:32,860 that point because I was preparing 1629 01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:34,600 something for that book and I thought 1630 01:20:38,790 --> 01:20:35,770 about certain things that I hadn't 1631 01:20:41,850 --> 01:20:38,800 really looked at in a certain way and I 1632 01:20:46,200 --> 01:20:41,860 remembered a lot of things like the gods 1633 01:20:48,419 --> 01:20:46,210 beautiful entertainment and they would 1634 01:20:49,770 --> 01:20:48,429 like be hovering over the Trojan War and 1635 01:20:52,590 --> 01:20:49,780 they were occasionally asked for 1636 01:20:55,740 --> 01:20:52,600 different people or manifest briefly and 1637 01:20:58,050 --> 01:20:55,750 you know so we were a form of the video 1638 01:21:01,350 --> 01:20:58,060 game to them and this reality was the 1639 01:21:03,300 --> 01:21:01,360 the video game world and in other myths 1640 01:21:05,160 --> 01:21:03,310 it's kind of like the same thing there 1641 01:21:07,530 --> 01:21:05,170 they're there but they're not there they 1642 01:21:09,270 --> 01:21:07,540 interfere but sometimes indirectly there 1643 01:21:11,609 --> 01:21:09,280 seems that some sort of rules that 1644 01:21:14,959 --> 01:21:11,619 they're following but those rules aren't 1645 01:21:17,910 --> 01:21:14,969 very clear to us because were the 1646 01:21:22,470 --> 01:21:17,920 avatars in this video game they're 1647 01:21:26,700 --> 01:21:22,480 playing well I can I can see why there 1648 01:21:29,550 --> 01:21:26,710 is no disclosure because right because 1649 01:21:31,080 --> 01:21:29,560 how do you know how does the well I the 1650 01:21:35,250 --> 01:21:31,090 current president certainly couldn't get 1651 01:21:38,669 --> 01:21:35,260 on the TV and explain it but even even 1652 01:21:42,510 --> 01:21:38,679 even some of the previous ones I I can't 1653 01:21:46,040 --> 01:21:42,520 imagine going into this kind of depth of 1654 01:21:49,680 --> 01:21:46,050 any you know expand it to consciousness 1655 01:21:51,209 --> 01:21:49,690 they would have to leave it as let's 1656 01:21:53,189 --> 01:21:51,219 just say therefore about her space and 1657 01:21:58,560 --> 01:21:53,199 get it over with right yeah that's the 1658 01:22:01,560 --> 01:21:58,570 easiest life they come from they come 1659 01:22:03,090 --> 01:22:01,570 from Mars or you or Uranus either one 1660 01:22:04,530 --> 01:22:03,100 wherever you want to believe they come 1661 01:22:07,590 --> 01:22:04,540 from you know I mean I don't know 1662 01:22:12,240 --> 01:22:07,600 they're they're there they're here and 1663 01:22:15,419 --> 01:22:12,250 they're part of the the you know the 1664 01:22:17,310 --> 01:22:15,429 environment and the the the where we 1665 01:22:20,040 --> 01:22:17,320 where we live you know and we coexist 1666 01:22:23,189 --> 01:22:20,050 with them and I think we really existed 1667 01:22:27,320 --> 01:22:23,199 with them since the beginning of time 1668 01:22:30,570 --> 01:22:27,330 it's and what you say oh definitely yeah 1669 01:22:33,300 --> 01:22:30,580 yeah go ahead and Kiely's I'm sorry no 1670 01:22:34,590 --> 01:22:33,310 no no I I would agree there there too 1671 01:22:37,650 --> 01:22:34,600 and 1672 01:22:41,400 --> 01:22:37,660 the gods 1673 01:22:43,710 --> 01:22:41,410 and yes and he went into that like 1674 01:22:46,260 --> 01:22:43,720 really really deeply in there he was 1675 01:22:47,430 --> 01:22:46,270 also my unfortunate I got to meet him 1676 01:22:52,920 --> 01:22:47,440 like years ago 1677 01:22:55,830 --> 01:22:52,930 oh yeah well yeah John keel he lived in 1678 01:22:59,070 --> 01:22:55,840 the neighborhood they're here not not 1679 01:23:01,860 --> 01:22:59,080 too far not too far away and a couple of 1680 01:23:05,130 --> 01:23:01,870 blocks war and and we used to get 1681 01:23:08,310 --> 01:23:05,140 together in his in his apartment at 1682 01:23:12,180 --> 01:23:08,320 night and conversed through the till the 1683 01:23:15,570 --> 01:23:12,190 wee hours it was me and and John and 1684 01:23:18,750 --> 01:23:15,580 Barbara Hudson would stop over from time 1685 01:23:21,450 --> 01:23:18,760 to time who is kind of mysteriously 1686 01:23:26,130 --> 01:23:21,460 disappeared she had some very unique 1687 01:23:28,830 --> 01:23:26,140 stories in fact Adam and the Gregg were 1688 01:23:31,380 --> 01:23:28,840 talking about her at last week she had 1689 01:23:33,750 --> 01:23:31,390 actually met a group I think they were 1690 01:23:35,820 --> 01:23:33,760 from New England in fact they called 1691 01:23:38,070 --> 01:23:35,830 themselves the group and and they were 1692 01:23:40,500 --> 01:23:38,080 starting at a very young age I think she 1693 01:23:42,980 --> 01:23:40,510 was about 16 at the time they they 1694 01:23:46,910 --> 01:23:42,990 materialized in her apartment in Harlem 1695 01:23:50,250 --> 01:23:46,920 and she went to this secret headquarters 1696 01:23:51,780 --> 01:23:50,260 several times and it was like as I 1697 01:23:54,240 --> 01:23:51,790 understand it it was like a classroom 1698 01:23:58,530 --> 01:23:54,250 night I'm not sure if she was the only 1699 01:24:02,190 --> 01:23:58,540 pupil or not but they taught hers and 1700 01:24:06,870 --> 01:24:02,200 taught her in the ways of the the space 1701 01:24:09,630 --> 01:24:06,880 people and she had some fairly intro she 1702 01:24:11,840 --> 01:24:09,640 was one of these Tim what we call a UFO 1703 01:24:15,270 --> 01:24:11,850 repeaters you know people that have 1704 01:24:17,730 --> 01:24:15,280 experiences almost on a regular basis 1705 01:24:21,780 --> 01:24:17,740 like we've had our friend Marco 1706 01:24:24,590 --> 01:24:21,790 Brinkerhoff on the show quite a few 1707 01:24:27,420 --> 01:24:24,600 times and you know he has these 1708 01:24:29,490 --> 01:24:27,430 experiences and he's able to just stick 1709 01:24:32,790 --> 01:24:29,500 his neck and his camera out his window 1710 01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:32,800 right there off of Central Park and take 1711 01:24:37,680 --> 01:24:35,050 your photographs of these strange 1712 01:24:40,950 --> 01:24:37,690 objects in the spot yeah yeah where were 1713 01:24:43,380 --> 01:24:40,960 you and you and I might not be so lucky 1714 01:24:46,209 --> 01:24:43,390 out there Jasper Indiana right there 1715 01:24:55,510 --> 01:24:46,219 [Laughter] 1716 01:25:03,910 --> 01:24:55,520 no definitely not well Hercules what do 1717 01:25:08,490 --> 01:25:03,920 you think is there has been I'm trying 1718 01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:08,500 to think of that oh okay uh the the Neil 1719 01:25:15,550 --> 01:25:12,650 Neil Gaiman novel American Gods are you 1720 01:25:17,979 --> 01:25:15,560 familiar with that I haven't read the 1721 01:25:20,260 --> 01:25:17,989 novel or the comic book but I picked up 1722 01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:20,270 the series because there they televised 1723 01:25:25,900 --> 01:25:23,530 it and I'm up to the last two episodes 1724 01:25:27,610 --> 01:25:25,910 you know what are the what are the 1725 01:25:29,860 --> 01:25:27,620 interesting things and I mean any and 1726 01:25:36,820 --> 01:25:29,870 he's not the first one to to put this 1727 01:25:41,560 --> 01:25:36,830 idea across is that you know the the the 1728 01:25:43,720 --> 01:25:41,570 the deities of humanity are actually the 1729 01:25:47,800 --> 01:25:43,730 result kind of of our own you know 1730 01:25:51,280 --> 01:25:47,810 belief systems I mean do you do you 1731 01:25:52,450 --> 01:25:51,290 think that there is any validity to that 1732 01:25:57,070 --> 01:25:52,460 because I mean you know you talked about 1733 01:25:59,770 --> 01:25:57,080 how the the gods are you know like forms 1734 01:26:04,090 --> 01:25:59,780 of you know energy and light and things 1735 01:26:07,000 --> 01:26:04,100 like that I mean so did they come first 1736 01:26:08,740 --> 01:26:07,010 or did we come first and create them and 1737 01:26:10,390 --> 01:26:08,750 continue to create them you know with 1738 01:26:13,270 --> 01:26:10,400 our own you know Santa Claus and you 1739 01:26:15,910 --> 01:26:13,280 know things like that so I think a 1740 01:26:17,920 --> 01:26:15,920 little both I think that the beams of 1741 01:26:20,290 --> 01:26:17,930 light you know whatever they ultimately 1742 01:26:22,180 --> 01:26:20,300 are and whatever Altima we are because I 1743 01:26:26,140 --> 01:26:22,190 believe there were like manifestations 1744 01:26:29,080 --> 01:26:26,150 of them came first and I believe that 1745 01:26:32,500 --> 01:26:29,090 from here we give them we mold them with 1746 01:26:37,120 --> 01:26:32,510 astral substance or our imagination and 1747 01:26:39,280 --> 01:26:37,130 because the the human experience despite 1748 01:26:42,070 --> 01:26:39,290 the fact they're all individuals and 1749 01:26:45,010 --> 01:26:42,080 unique has a lot of common features so 1750 01:26:48,010 --> 01:26:45,020 our growth experience here either in one 1751 01:26:49,930 --> 01:26:48,020 life or through many lives it kind of 1752 01:26:52,630 --> 01:26:49,940 follows a pattern that I guess you can 1753 01:26:54,310 --> 01:26:52,640 call shamanic in one way and Joseph 1754 01:26:57,430 --> 01:26:54,320 Campbell or next to a book or the hero 1755 01:26:59,200 --> 01:26:57,440 with a thousand faces that kind of 1756 01:27:00,170 --> 01:26:59,210 defines this journey and you find this 1757 01:27:02,360 --> 01:27:00,180 journey played out 1758 01:27:05,960 --> 01:27:02,370 comic books and novels and movies so 1759 01:27:08,360 --> 01:27:05,970 it's kind of a universal multi-purpose 1760 01:27:10,340 --> 01:27:08,370 pattern there with with recognizable 1761 01:27:12,320 --> 01:27:10,350 tropes so I believe it's a little of 1762 01:27:14,890 --> 01:27:12,330 both I believe that as our understanding 1763 01:27:17,810 --> 01:27:14,900 of ourselves and our universe increases 1764 01:27:19,940 --> 01:27:17,820 we project the different things out 1765 01:27:21,620 --> 01:27:19,950 there about the gods and eventually 1766 01:27:23,270 --> 01:27:21,630 that's how we understand and communicate 1767 01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:23,280 with the gods 1768 01:27:28,580 --> 01:27:25,130 so I think these are all like a 1769 01:27:31,250 --> 01:27:28,590 approaches and all of them are good in 1770 01:27:34,160 --> 01:27:31,260 my experience yes such as it is at this 1771 01:27:36,230 --> 01:27:34,170 particular point the Olympians seem to 1772 01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:36,240 welcome any attempt to understand the 1773 01:27:40,520 --> 01:27:38,010 more those ancient astronauts those 1774 01:27:43,010 --> 01:27:40,530 aliens or all territorial beings it's 1775 01:27:45,050 --> 01:27:43,020 just taking the journey and it's like an 1776 01:27:46,700 --> 01:27:45,060 invitation like the night sky had all 1777 01:27:49,940 --> 01:27:46,710 those constellations which were the 1778 01:27:54,200 --> 01:27:49,950 stories from Greek mythology and there 1779 01:27:57,080 --> 01:27:54,210 were a lot of astral or Astro 1780 01:27:58,640 --> 01:27:57,090 mythological teachings like there's a 1781 01:28:00,410 --> 01:27:58,650 lot of names for it now but people are 1782 01:28:02,210 --> 01:28:00,420 becoming more more aware of it that's 1783 01:28:04,460 --> 01:28:02,220 kind of initially an industry attic 1784 01:28:07,460 --> 01:28:04,470 journey to transcend who you are and to 1785 01:28:09,290 --> 01:28:07,470 become more and the stories in this 1786 01:28:11,000 --> 01:28:09,300 mythology are full of people who were 1787 01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:11,010 people for a while and then they 1788 01:28:15,290 --> 01:28:12,810 discovered the divine spark and then 1789 01:28:17,720 --> 01:28:15,300 they returned home you know to to 1790 01:28:20,360 --> 01:28:17,730 Olympus and became full-blown gods so I 1791 01:28:22,730 --> 01:28:20,370 mean I believe that that's part of the 1792 01:28:24,710 --> 01:28:22,740 universal journey to recognize that all 1793 01:28:27,380 --> 01:28:24,720 of us are in our essence beings of light 1794 01:28:31,150 --> 01:28:27,390 and whether wick mythology takes you 1795 01:28:33,830 --> 01:28:31,160 there or Christianity or Adamski's the 1796 01:28:36,290 --> 01:28:33,840 Venetians it doesn't really like matter 1797 01:28:39,730 --> 01:28:36,300 as long as you like heed the call and he 1798 01:28:42,830 --> 01:28:39,740 would you find by answering the whole 1799 01:28:46,850 --> 01:28:42,840 well that's good that's kind of why we I 1800 01:28:49,490 --> 01:28:46,860 think a years ago decided to coil are a 1801 01:28:51,380 --> 01:28:49,500 little publishing company here in our 1802 01:28:55,760 --> 01:28:51,390 life because we've always felt that it's 1803 01:28:59,390 --> 01:28:55,770 up to the individual to find golden but 1804 01:29:03,070 --> 01:28:59,400 then what I discovered was is it was not 1805 01:29:05,690 --> 01:29:03,080 really an original name that other 1806 01:29:08,260 --> 01:29:05,700 metaphysical and occult groups had used 1807 01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:08,270 inner light foundation inner light 1808 01:29:13,950 --> 01:29:12,570 organization inner light Society they 1809 01:29:17,430 --> 01:29:13,960 had they had caught 1810 01:29:22,380 --> 01:29:17,440 to this previously before I came around 1811 01:29:27,209 --> 01:29:22,390 in the 1960s to whip the world into 1812 01:29:28,590 --> 01:29:27,219 order and to me personally and in terms 1813 01:29:31,590 --> 01:29:28,600 of my own life and my own journey it's 1814 01:29:33,360 --> 01:29:31,600 always associated with what you've done 1815 01:29:35,459 --> 01:29:33,370 because that's how I first became aware 1816 01:29:37,770 --> 01:29:35,469 of the concept of analyte and through 1817 01:29:41,880 --> 01:29:37,780 your publications so in my personal 1818 01:29:43,560 --> 01:29:41,890 mythology that represents what you've 1819 01:29:46,740 --> 01:29:43,570 given to the world how you've 1820 01:29:49,200 --> 01:29:46,750 contributed toward everybody's sense of 1821 01:29:54,930 --> 01:29:49,210 wonder and exploration both enter an 1822 01:29:57,840 --> 01:29:54,940 hour I have hoped that I have at least 1823 01:29:59,370 --> 01:29:57,850 accomplished that in my of course now 1824 01:30:03,440 --> 01:29:59,380 some people Tim in the field would 1825 01:30:10,470 --> 01:30:03,450 suggest that I perhaps my gift of effort 1826 01:30:12,780 --> 01:30:10,480 entertainment was overdone you need that 1827 01:30:15,390 --> 01:30:12,790 humor you need you can't take yourself 1828 01:30:17,430 --> 01:30:15,400 too seriously on the path like I take 1829 01:30:19,260 --> 01:30:17,440 myself seriously but not solemnly I 1830 01:30:21,330 --> 01:30:19,270 realized that a lot of what I think 1831 01:30:23,280 --> 01:30:21,340 sounds ridiculous to most people but 1832 01:30:24,840 --> 01:30:23,290 that's ok this is my life this is what 1833 01:30:30,870 --> 01:30:24,850 I've discovered I'm willing to share it 1834 01:30:34,380 --> 01:30:30,880 a little bit you know so that's it yeah 1835 01:30:36,600 --> 01:30:34,390 I would agree with you 100% 1836 01:30:38,100 --> 01:30:36,610 and we are kind of a get at Tim are we 1837 01:30:41,070 --> 01:30:38,110 getting close to the end of the program 1838 01:30:43,380 --> 01:30:41,080 here yeah we're at five five minute mark 1839 01:30:47,780 --> 01:30:43,390 right now that shows you how bad my 1840 01:30:57,030 --> 01:30:47,790 eyesight I'm looking at the time on the 1841 01:30:59,790 --> 01:30:57,040 what are we looking at well that'll just 1842 01:31:01,890 --> 01:30:59,800 take me take me over the edge it's all 1843 01:31:04,200 --> 01:31:01,900 this uh all this medication 1844 01:31:07,590 --> 01:31:04,210 none of a very interesting I I might 1845 01:31:10,350 --> 01:31:07,600 admit it's just kind of boring boring 1846 01:31:13,080 --> 01:31:10,360 stuff you know but well I think we 1847 01:31:15,209 --> 01:31:13,090 wanted Nick here you're still out there 1848 01:31:20,970 --> 01:31:15,219 are you or have you been captured by the 1849 01:31:24,180 --> 01:31:20,980 Olympians are you yeah you're you're a 1850 01:31:25,800 --> 01:31:24,190 big man on the the lecture circuit all 1851 01:31:26,959 --> 01:31:25,810 right have you got any of the dates 1852 01:31:31,930 --> 01:31:26,969 coming up 1853 01:31:35,450 --> 01:31:31,940 for therefore they for the year ahead 1854 01:31:38,900 --> 01:31:35,460 I'll be speaking of in the just outside 1855 01:31:41,420 --> 01:31:38,910 Los Angeles but an hour on the weekend 1856 01:31:49,250 --> 01:31:41,430 of the 26th which is called the alien 1857 01:31:52,340 --> 01:31:49,260 snow fest I gotta hear about this well 1858 01:31:54,229 --> 01:31:52,350 who's on that's right yeah Holly sure LC 1859 01:31:56,780 --> 01:31:54,239 spooky but I'm talking about the history 1860 01:32:00,380 --> 01:31:56,790 and theories for the men in black 1861 01:32:04,520 --> 01:32:00,390 mystery and then into March I'm speaking 1862 01:32:07,250 --> 01:32:04,530 at the bio city paranormal symposium in 1863 01:32:08,540 --> 01:32:07,260 South Texas and I've got a few things 1864 01:32:12,970 --> 01:32:08,550 coming up in the next couple of months 1865 01:32:18,350 --> 01:32:12,980 lecture one and and the and the books 1866 01:32:20,180 --> 01:32:18,360 the title ones yeah yeah the - I've got 1867 01:32:21,860 --> 01:32:20,190 out right now area 51 in earlier 1868 01:32:25,100 --> 01:32:21,870 production files they'll sort of save me 1869 01:32:27,890 --> 01:32:25,110 through for the next six months probably 1870 01:32:29,600 --> 01:32:27,900 you mean it takes you more than it takes 1871 01:32:33,320 --> 01:32:29,610 you more than two months to put a book 1872 01:32:37,550 --> 01:32:33,330 together just because the 450 pages 1873 01:32:39,860 --> 01:32:37,560 right yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah it's a 1874 01:32:43,880 --> 01:32:39,870 it's a for people who are have never 1875 01:32:49,459 --> 01:32:43,890 written anything let them try I say you 1876 01:32:51,530 --> 01:32:49,469 know to put something together all right 1877 01:32:54,500 --> 01:32:51,540 well they you you've got you've got a 1878 01:32:56,240 --> 01:32:54,510 full as slight as they say and and 1879 01:33:01,240 --> 01:32:56,250 Hercules you you have a program that 1880 01:33:03,800 --> 01:33:01,250 you're yourself I know on the area 1881 01:33:06,080 --> 01:33:03,810 podcasts on blog talk radio voice of 1882 01:33:09,229 --> 01:33:06,090 Olympus pride of Olympus and the Elysium 1883 01:33:12,020 --> 01:33:09,239 project voice of Olympus is about living 1884 01:33:14,660 --> 01:33:12,030 Greek mythology part of Olympus is about 1885 01:33:17,900 --> 01:33:14,670 Olympian ISM and outer space modern 1886 01:33:20,990 --> 01:33:17,910 outer space groups and the Elysium 1887 01:33:22,820 --> 01:33:21,000 project is about taking olympian ideals 1888 01:33:25,729 --> 01:33:22,830 and doing good in the world so we have a 1889 01:33:27,650 --> 01:33:25,739 political program we have a human 1890 01:33:30,380 --> 01:33:27,660 service program we have an optimal 1891 01:33:33,110 --> 01:33:30,390 wellness you know program and I am an 1892 01:33:37,459 --> 01:33:33,120 elected official and I'm running for 1893 01:33:40,649 --> 01:33:37,469 City Council in this election we're all 1894 01:33:45,240 --> 01:33:40,659 right we're in in Tenafly New Jersey 1895 01:33:50,070 --> 01:33:45,250 oh my goodness and Elmo are you are you 1896 01:33:51,660 --> 01:33:50,080 a dancer I'm currently on the Democratic 1897 01:33:53,700 --> 01:33:51,670 County committee I'm a member of that I 1898 01:33:55,860 --> 01:33:53,710 was elected as a write-in I didn't even 1899 01:33:58,590 --> 01:33:55,870 know I was in the race people wrote me 1900 01:34:01,350 --> 01:33:58,600 in and I got a letter in the mail so now 1901 01:34:03,419 --> 01:34:01,360 I'm the Honourable Hercules Invictus and 1902 01:34:05,850 --> 01:34:03,429 I announced it of money for council so 1903 01:34:08,580 --> 01:34:05,860 I'll find out next week if I'm going to 1904 01:34:10,080 --> 01:34:08,590 be supported or not but people give me 1905 01:34:12,479 --> 01:34:10,090 endorsements you know from all over the 1906 01:34:14,250 --> 01:34:12,489 place and my unconventional views are 1907 01:34:15,750 --> 01:34:14,260 very well known I mean people a lot you 1908 01:34:18,209 --> 01:34:15,760 know with the things that they do have 1909 01:34:22,020 --> 01:34:18,219 your locally so I'm very excited by that 1910 01:34:24,360 --> 01:34:22,030 and I also write for the most awesome 1911 01:34:30,419 --> 01:34:24,370 and worldly titled anthologies in 1912 01:34:32,640 --> 01:34:30,429 existence so let's see what are the 1913 01:34:36,360 --> 01:34:32,650 titles of those uh let's see UFO 1914 01:34:39,180 --> 01:34:36,370 hostilities the evil llege and the Aryan 1915 01:34:42,629 --> 01:34:39,190 evil agenda but you are for harness just 1916 01:34:44,270 --> 01:34:42,639 remember and the other one is my 1917 01:34:51,020 --> 01:34:44,280 favorite of course is screwed by the 1918 01:34:55,979 --> 01:34:51,030 aliens which is alien blood loss and yes 1919 01:35:00,419 --> 01:34:55,989 hidden treasures and these what we do 1920 01:35:05,689 --> 01:35:00,429 are we monsters yeah and we did all 1921 01:35:12,300 --> 01:35:09,990 yeah yeah yeah all right gentlemen we 1922 01:35:15,120 --> 01:35:12,310 have to we have to say good night you 1923 01:35:17,970 --> 01:35:15,130 two you agree night thank you yeah 1924 01:35:21,090 --> 01:35:17,980 YouTube channel mr. UFO secret files and 1925 01:35:23,669 --> 01:35:21,100 come on back next week and tell your 1926 01:35:25,590 --> 01:35:23,679 friends whether they're on this planet 1927 01:35:31,780 --> 01:35:25,600 in another dimension or somewhere out 1928 01:35:38,660 --> 01:35:34,610 you've been listening to exploring the 1929 01:35:41,870 --> 01:35:38,670 bazaar with hosts Timothy Becky and Tina 1930 01:35:44,750 --> 01:35:41,880 Swartz they're taking back the nights by 1931 01:35:47,330 --> 01:35:44,760 jetting non-stop across the cosmos in 1932 01:35:51,130 --> 01:35:47,340 search of the truly bizarre and totally 1933 01:35:53,640 --> 01:35:51,140 unexplained with you as they're cold 1934 01:35:58,120 --> 01:35:53,650 Thursday nights at 7:00 p.m. Pacific 1935 01:35:59,329 --> 01:35:58,130 10:00 p.m. Eastern on the K cor digital 1936 01:36:01,790 --> 01:35:59,339 reading 1937 01:36:05,239 --> 01:36:01,800 for more information on exploring the 1938 01:36:08,089 --> 01:36:05,249 bazaar and hosts Timothy Becky and Tim 1939 01:36:11,179 --> 01:36:08,099 Swartz check out their kco our digital 1940 01:36:17,419 --> 01:36:11,189 radio network follow their YouTube 1941 01:36:27,810 --> 01:36:17,429 channel @m r UFO 1100 explore the